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Author Topic:   Should Sacred Studies be part of a general public school curricula
NosyNed
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Message 121 of 161 (206836)
05-10-2005 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Rosie Cotton
05-10-2005 6:03 PM


An atheist on your side.
I disagree strongly with anyone interfering with your personal worship where ever you are doing it (as long as it isn't disrupting a class or something).
What was the justification for this action that was given to you?

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berberry
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Message 122 of 161 (206838)
05-10-2005 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Rosie Cotton
05-10-2005 6:03 PM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
If that's true Rosie you can add my name to the list of atheists on your side. You should contact the ACLU. This is just the sort of religious freedom case they specialize in.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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Asgara
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Message 123 of 161 (206846)
05-10-2005 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Rosie Cotton
05-10-2005 8:59 AM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
someone was reading a Bible, or they caught someone saying grace at lunch, or praying over their math test.
But Rosie, none of those things are illegal. Any student in the U.S. has the right to do any of those things. If you have found it any different, I suggest you contact your local ACLU.

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coffee_addict
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Message 124 of 161 (206862)
05-10-2005 8:35 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Rosie Cotton
05-10-2005 6:03 PM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
My question to you is did anything come out of it? If not, quit complaining. Don't forget that people like you are pushing through legislations to violate other people's rights. I don't know about you, but having someone say something about you praying is a small price to pay for you taking away my rights. So stop playing the victim, please.

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Rosie Cotton
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Message 125 of 161 (206873)
05-10-2005 9:37 PM


It was free reading time, and I was simply reading my Bible. Then they confiscated it. My parents came and forced them to give me my Bible back though. I've had that Bible since I've been 8 and I've marked all my favorite scriptures and everything.
I blessed my lunch everyday until in third grade I was told by the lunch moniter that it was "offensive." I've never been caught praying over tests and I still do it.
I'm fine with atheists not believing in my religion, and I don't think that schools should preach one religion to be truer than any other, but schools should teach the basic beliefs of all religions. My religion, when taught about, has gotten lies said about it when it's mentioned in any classroom that I've been in, and lies shouldn't be said, and neither should nothing.

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Rosie Cotton
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Message 126 of 161 (206874)
05-10-2005 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by coffee_addict
05-10-2005 8:35 PM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
What "rights" would be revoked?

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berberry
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Message 127 of 161 (206879)
05-10-2005 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by coffee_addict
05-10-2005 8:35 PM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
Troy writes:
quote:
Don't forget that people like you are pushing through legislations to violate other people's rights.
While I would agree with your point about playing the victim, I disagree with the implication of this statement. Our constitution guarantees civil rights for everyone, not just those who respect the civil rights of others.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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jar
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Message 128 of 161 (206880)
05-10-2005 10:05 PM


Let's try to stick with the topic folk.
If possible can we stick to the question of teaching Sacred Studies as a general subject in school.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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berberry
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Message 129 of 161 (206881)
05-10-2005 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Rosie Cotton
05-10-2005 9:37 PM


Rosie Cotton writes:
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...schools should teach the basic beliefs of all religions.
Once again, Rosie, if what you say is true than I think you have a justifiable grievance against the school. You really should check with either the ACLU or a civil rights attorney to see if you have an actionable case.
But there simply aren't enough years in a student's academic career to instruct them in all religions. I have no problem with comparative religious studies in the public schools, but the scope should be limited to those religions that have had a profound impact on the world's major cultures.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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coffee_addict
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Message 130 of 161 (206884)
05-10-2005 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by berberry
05-10-2005 10:02 PM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
berberry writes:
While I would agree with your point about playing the victim, I disagree with the implication of this statement. Our constitution guarantees civil rights for everyone, not just those who respect the civil rights of others.
I think this is where we split off in different directions in our opinions. I'll be happy to discuss this thing further with you in another thread and after finals.
Speaking of finals, why the hell do they have to schedule them at 7:50 in the morning? Can't they understand that we don't get enough sleep even during our regular days?

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Rosie Cotton
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Message 131 of 161 (207071)
05-11-2005 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 129 by berberry
05-10-2005 10:09 PM


Personally, I don't like the ACLU and it was two years ago that they took away my Bible. I've been homeschooled these past two years. All the same, it was quite upsetting to me.
berberry, to tell you the truth, I hadn't thought of that. However, don't you think that they could at least squash popular rumors about religions and give a simple understanding of the basic beliefs of all religions, and maybe go more in depth about basic Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the other predominant ones?

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CK
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Message 132 of 161 (207076)
05-11-2005 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by coffee_addict
05-10-2005 10:21 PM


Re: Atheists are more tolerable than any other group!
quote:
Speaking of finals, why the hell do they have to schedule them at 7:50 in the morning? Can't they understand that we don't get enough sleep even during our regular days?
Ah..finals... due to a scheduling fluke (well mistake actually) it was possible to take all the modules without exams. The only one I actually sat was for business strategy - so it was a "final".

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 133 of 161 (207094)
05-11-2005 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by berberry
05-10-2005 10:09 PM


Suggest a ACLU side topic
While this American Civil Liberties Union discussion isn't totally off-topic, it is a significant deviation from the central theme.
I suggest to berberry that he start a new "Coffee House" topic, devoted specificly to the ACLU. Also, then such discussion won't get lost in this topic.
Adminnemooseus
Note: To all - See how I got the full name in sentence one? Abreviations may not be known to all, so it is good to at least once also have the full name. In a new topic, the full name should be in the title.

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berberry
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Message 134 of 161 (207160)
05-11-2005 3:33 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Adminnemooseus
05-11-2005 12:39 PM


Re: Suggest a ACLU side topic
Adminnemooseus writes:
quote:
I suggest to berberry that he start a new "Coffee House" topic, devoted specificly to the ACLU.
I have done so here. Let's please continue our discussion of Rosie's religious liberties issues there.

Keep America Safe AND Free!

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KKawohl
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Message 135 of 161 (208501)
05-15-2005 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by jar
05-10-2005 10:05 PM


Re: Let's try to stick with the topic folk.
Maybe if religions would become spiritual, logical and rational and would eliminate all of its hogwash and superstitions only then should they be part of a general public school curricula.
Maybe a start could be the concept of an Intelligent Designer that has been called God by mankind; an ID, a Spiritual Unity that guides the development of the universe like a Master Planner, but has never interfered in it?

"I Am A Transcendentalist"

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