Charismatic Chaos

Why can't you accept Mormonism or Islam without questioning them?

The I believes from the creed:
I believe in the resurrection of the body.
You said somewhere along the line that you don't believe in the resurrection of JesusI believe in the Holy Ghost
You say you don't believe that.If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably...you know the rest.AS Phat pointed out you fit the definition of an agnostic but you call yourself an Episcopalian.Let's just settle on an agnostic Episcopalian.

No, I say it doesn't matter if it happened or not. No, I say that there is no evidence of such a thing and no way to determine if there is such a thing.Really GDR, learn to read; it's not all that hard.Honestly, I do not just call myself an Episcopalian but I am also registered as an Episcopalian and even have my name on the wall of an Episcopal chapel.You can settle on whatever fool thing makes you feel good but it has no basis in truth or reality.Edited by jar, : missed it by ...

Back on CompuServe in the late 80's in the Religion Forum's "SCIENCE & RELIGION" Section (where the creationism discussions were), there was a crazed Christian named "Suds". He claimed to be a mathematician who invented Gray Code (though Frank Gray died two decades prior in 1969) and couldn't work anymore after suffering a stroke. He promoted odd forms of word magick and had even claimed that since Hamurabi predated Moses by centuries, that meant that Hamurabi had copied his code from Moses.But Suds did come up one very good point: It is not important whether the claims of Christianity are true or not, only that people believe that they are true. The history of Western Civilization for the past two millennia was based almost entirely on belief in Christianity, not on whether there was any truth at all to Christianity.Like Rick Perry said, even a broken clock is right once a day.
(Perry succeeded G.W. Bush as Governor of Texas, which has led Texans to refer to Bush as "the smart one.")

That wasn't the point. And the question you won't answer is do you believe it happened or not. and still you are afraid to commit to any belief. I can read your obfuscation and evasion quite clearly. No problem there, you just can't commit to their beliefs. Well you can't settle on anything at all, and yet you treat those that are not afraid to stand up for their beliefs with condescending and arrogant comments.

Have I told you that I am an Episcopalian?

I don't question that, but you can't even acknowledge that you believe basic Episcopalian doctrine. You're an Episcopalian by membership but by your statements you're agnostic by belief.

Learn to read.I am an Episcopalian. That means I ascribe to the basic doctrines of the Episcopal Church including the "I believes".It really isn't that hard to understand.

I think what he (or I) is trying to say is that to you, the "I believes" are not direct belief in God's influence but in your charge. Would you not agree that David in the Psalms seemed to have a relationship with God as he understood Him and not in his charge and duty exclusively. You essentially have eliminated the possibility (or desire) of interaction.

They are quite liberal. Here are two cartoons from an Episcopalian humor page. the first one sounds like jar:

How can you commit to beliefs when there is nothing to back them up? It's pretty much a random choice what you believe - which is why most people believe what they learned as children. Committing to a belief is heading in the direction of fanaticism.

I guess I'm somewhere between fanaticism and skepticism. I did find your honest apologist in Bart Campolo. Ironically, he is everything my evangelical Christian friends would despise, but I trust him. I know you cant hear audio at the Saskatch Library, but he had me on his podcast. (my voice, anyway) Ironic that he left the Faith and is a secular humanist Chaplain. I am having a 30-minute consultation with him tonite so I will get a better feel for his integrity.

You didn't let us test his honesty.

If you figure a way to do it, I would encourage you to follow through. Just how will we test him?

Still the total failure to demonstrate that you can read or understand or retain.I have eliminated nothing but rather keep asking for someone to explain how interaction might be possible or even identifiable. LOLHe is free to think any fool thing he wants. Go read the "I believes" and try to fit what is actually written into what the above quote says. It's called the Apostles' Creed. There is nothing in there related to God's influence or in what we are charged to do.Basics Phat, these are really very basic parts of Christianity.