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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Moroni, the angel who appeared to Smith, was the son of Mormon, an elder of a Jewish tribe called the Nephites who had migrated to the Americas. Mormon was the one who had originally written the gospel.
Allegedly, while Joseph Smith was translating the infamous golden plates, John the Baptist appeared to him and ordained him to restore the true church by preaching and publishing the true gospel, which had been lost from the earth. Now, if you happily accept that someone raises himself and others from the dead, heals lepers, ousts demons, walks on water, etc. why is John the Baptist appearing to help restore the true church a problem ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: Even if these verses are interpreted the way you interpret them, it still means nothing, as Mormons claim that the BoM is part of the scriptures, that was lost and re-discovered. It's not an addition to God's word, it is God's word. **EDIT to add last sentence. This message has been edited by Legend, 11-09-2004 06:39 PM "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Robb Inactive Member |
quote: I am assuming that all the books of the Bible are written by God. This can be debated, but assuming they are all written by God, then Duet. 4 (as well as Prov 30:5-6) applies to all Gods commands and not just in Duet. The Book of Mormon is a seperate book from the Bible and cannot be trusted to be Gods word.
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Robb Inactive Member |
quote: Many think this is a warning for just the book of Revelation and not all the scriptures. "this book" is used to establish how this should be applied. I think that it can be applied to all of scripture as a principle outlined in other verses.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
You're also assuming that the Book of Mormon is NOT written by God. And you can't get that from Deuteronomy. But Mormons don't make the distinction between the Bible and the BoM that you do - both are scripture and the arguments for regarding one as the Word of God apply equally to the other.
So it is not Deuteronomy that is the issue - but your starting assumption that the BoM is not scripture versus the LDS assumption that it is. The only way to make Deuteronomy an issue is to argue that it supports your assumption over the Mormon assumption - but that gets you right back to the problems I identified.
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Legend Member (Idle past 5006 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: Nope, according to the Mormon church the BoM is just another part of God's word. Tell me, how can you trust that, say, Luke's Gospel is God's word ? What are your criteria for determining what is God's word ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Robb Inactive Member |
quote: Maybe I am going in circles but I will try again. Mormons admit that the BoM is another testiment of Jesus Christ. If the Bible is true, as Mormons beleive, then they have added to the word of God. I still don't see how both can be true according to the Bible. Do Mormons beleive that the BoM is part of the Bible or another book of Jesus Christ? Maybe this is where I am misunderstanding what Mormons beleive. This message has been edited by Robb, 11-09-2004 06:52 PM
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asciikerr Inactive Member |
Do we even have Mormons on this board? Seems hardly fair to get into what they believe w/o having one of them represent their beliefs.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Robb, do you believe that there is one Christian Bible?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6873 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
that you are comparing apples with oranges. John was hardly a Christ, who took up his life after he relinquished it. John cannot do that.
What you are suggesting is called spiritism, a practice severely chastised especially in old testament times when God warned not to seek information from wizards that peep. One of the reasons Saul, the first king of Israel, lost his kingdom is because he consulted the witch of endor, who conjured up someone who looked like the Prophet Samuel. The baptist is dead, he was dust, to dust he returned, and he will never again know anything that transpires on this earth until the resurrection and that takes place at Christ's second coming.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6873 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
And then some, Brother.
Thank you. Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but you are subject to the Spirit of God, who imparts knowledge when it is sought, and wisdom, and all understanding of what is correct. Godspeed to you.
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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1504 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
I agree with you asciikerr, put not to worry the mormon faith has been adequately bashed here in the past Without representation. EvC is equal opportunity.
"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Revelation 22 Verse 18 and 19, may help to establish the fact that nothing is to be added or taken away from scripture. similar verses are to be had throughout the bible. which one do you trust?
If you believe that God knew that scripture would be subject to tampering, then the warnings throughout the written word, should not fall victim to questioning. yes, they should. in fact, it should make you question the authenticity of anything written after that verse. question EVERYTHING. there's much more to be had in the bible if you think about it and ask questions.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1344 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
as Mormons claim that the BoM is part of the scriptures, that was lost and re-discovered. It's not an addition to God's word, it is God's word. this is true. the claimed date for the book is 600 bc, which is still during the old testament period.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
The BoM is "adding to the Bible" in the same way that the NT is "adding to the Bible".
You have accepted that Deuteronomy does not mean that there will be no more scriptures written. So the question comes down to whether the BoM is scripture. Mormons say yes. You say no. Deuteronomy says neither.
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