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carini
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Message 1 of 33 (332261)
07-16-2006 5:40 PM


Why would god create humans?
We were supposedly made in his image.
But what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings? Would that make god sick and twisted?
I mean seriously why would god create an animal that does this to other life? Bears - Bear Bile Farming - 13 - Animal Exploitation Photo Journal and Gallery from All-Creatures.org
If god were actually inteliigent and could still "poof" he should probably "poof" us out of existence and keep us from killing the rest of his wonderful creations.
If god were a highly intelligent being he wouldnt allow one species to destroy so many of his other creations. At least not any god that I could possibly concieve of. If I were god and had created so much life, I wouldnt let one species of them kill the rest off just because the killers actually knew I existed.

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Message 2 of 33 (332262)
07-16-2006 5:41 PM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


Moved to Faith and Belief from Why would God create humans? in Proposed New Topics.
Edited by AdminFaith, : provide link

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CK
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Message 3 of 33 (332266)
07-16-2006 5:50 PM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


well it goes like this...
We were not made "sick and twisted" - we were created perfect. However when Adam and Eve eat the apple, they fell and mankind fell with them.
Not being omnipotent, he had no way of knowing this is how it would all turn out.

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Message 4 of 33 (332281)
07-16-2006 6:27 PM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


The Species or Anomalies
quote:
But what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings?
Is the species as a whole sick and twisted or just a portion?
Why does the actions of some make you feel the entire species is sick and twisted?
Not all dog breeds are the same temperament.

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Rand Al'Thor
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Message 5 of 33 (332468)
07-17-2006 8:23 AM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


Why would god create humans?
Boredom? Maybe we are just one big simulation game. Or perhaps just one of millions of "test tubes" that god created to see what happens when "xxxx" happens. Or an even more interesting idea, maybe we are part of a massive multiplayer real time strategy game between god and his buddies
But what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings? Would that make god sick and twisted?
Trust me, I know just how crazy humans can be, in the past I used to be quite the “gore connoisseur”, beheading vids, IEDs, murders, rapes, suicides, animal tourture, etc. etc. And while we are capable of some pretty terrible things I do not think that humans as a whole are "evil" or "sick". I would say that for the most part we are generally kind and compassionate, especially when we are sent on a guilt trip.
I mean seriously why would god create an animal that does this to other life?
Well, you have to keep in mind humans aren't the only ones that inflict death and pain. Just look at any natural predator. A deer getting torn to pieces, literally being eaten alive by a pack of wolves is hardly a quick or painless death. Then of course you would say that, "But these animals don't kill or torture for fun.". Then I would suggest you get yourself a cat. Watch it catch a mouse or a lizard. It is actually pretty cool, but the really interesting part is when the cat "plays" with the dying mouse. After it has been incapacitated, but before it has died or been eaten, the cat will slash at it and toss it around a bit. Almost like playing with a ball of yarn.
If god were actually intelligent and could still "poof" he should probably "poof" us out of existence and keep us from killing the rest of his wonderful creations.
Maybe he didn't realize it at the time he created us. Or maybe that is the whole purpose of our existence, to see which creature is, excuse the phrase, "The baddest motherfucker on the planet". Besides, this is god we are talking about here. He can create more of whatever type of animal at will. Even the creatures that we completely killed off can be "poofed" back into existence. This is assuming of course that we are dealing with an omnipotent god.
If god were a highly intelligent being he wouldnt allow one species to destroy so many of his other creations. At least not any god that I could possibly concieve of.
Why would god have to be this super caring and compassionate being? If he can just "poof" any species in and out of the game at will, why would he care what one does to any other. And why does being highly intelligent imply sympathy or remorse for ones creations? The gardener does not weep for fallen blossoms. You need to keep in mind, to a god that can create/destroy life at will, life itself might not be as valuable as it seems to us lowly humans.

"We're surrounded... That simplifies our problem..." -Lewis "Chesty" Puller

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Message 6 of 33 (332495)
07-17-2006 10:08 AM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


God and Created Humans
Why did GOD create the humans that produced the website, that are trying to show the issue, that are fighting to stop the practice?
Humans are. They are good, they are bad and they cover all the intervening possibilities.
They are the ONLY species that has even conceived something like the Veterinarian, a person who works to make life better for another species. The Endangered Species list is uniquely human, no other species would even conceive such a thing.
Humans are wondrous.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Phat
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Message 7 of 33 (332522)
07-17-2006 11:21 AM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
carini writes:
Why would god create humans?
We were supposedly made in his image.
But what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings? Would that make god sick and twisted?
I personally believe that we humans are made in Gods image. To me, that extrapolates into being made in Gods imagination. When humans imagine, we recreate. When God imagines, He actually creates! Has anyone ever heard the phrase, "There is nothing new under the Sun?"
Well, I believe that there is nothing new under the Son, through whom all things were created. All concepts and ideas. All math, matter, and plausible and possible reality.
I realize that this topic is not about the concept of the Fall per se, but I would advance the theory that we are given a choice in life between allowing Gods imagination....His sweeet Spirit...to permeate our consciousness and guide us along in our decisionmaking processes
or alternatively to live life without acknowledging an intellect that is superior to our own..... thus allowing our own vain imaginations to produce the conflicts, weapons, and competitive squabbles that characterize the human race.
I agree with jar in that humans are both good and bad....and we DO know better, unlike the pack of wolves.
Perhaps the only reason that God allowed evil to exist is to provide a contrast and an example of stubborn independence and callous indifference for us to study and avoid.

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Message 8 of 33 (332539)
07-17-2006 12:14 PM
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07-17-2006 11:21 AM


Re: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Phat writes:
I personally believe that we humans are made in Gods image.
If the Good in humans is an image of God, then so must be the Bad and the Ugly.

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Phat
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Message 9 of 33 (332543)
07-17-2006 1:05 PM
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07-17-2006 12:14 PM


Re: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Ringo writes:
If the Good in humans is an image of God, then so must be the Bad and the Ugly.
Thats presupposing that there is only One image.
we are but a reflection of ourselves, and we have a choice of which image we choose to portray.
If I look in a mirror and forget what I look like, who in the heck do I think I am?
I AM?

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ringo
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Message 10 of 33 (332554)
07-17-2006 2:01 PM
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07-17-2006 1:05 PM


Re: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Phat writes:
If the Good in humans is an image of God, then so must be the Bad and the Ugly.
Thats presupposing that there is only One image.
On the contrary, I'm saying that all of the aspects of mankind are reflections of the corresponding aspects of God. We are created in all af His images.
The "Bad" and the "Ugly" images of God are particularly well portrayed in the Old Testament.
we are but a reflection of ourselves, and we have a choice of which image we choose to portray.
And all of those images are images of God.
If I look in a mirror and forget what I look like, who in the heck do I think I am?
I AM?
That's another topic.

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Phat
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Message 11 of 33 (333707)
07-20-2006 10:43 AM
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Why?
carini writes:
Why would god create humans?
Did He create us as sick and twisted?
carini writes:
what kind of god would make a species as sick and twisted as human beings?
But isn't that a bit like saying that if you had a kid and your kid eventually ended up as a serial killer, the news media came pounding on your door and asked why you and your wife decided to have this kid in the first place!

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CK
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Message 12 of 33 (333725)
07-20-2006 11:33 AM
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Re: Why?
But if you had the ability to see the future and knew how it would all turn out?

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Phat
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Message 13 of 33 (333726)
07-20-2006 11:35 AM
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07-20-2006 11:33 AM


Re: Why?
If I were God, and...
CK writes:
if you had the ability to see the future and knew how it would all turn out?
I would then be faced with deciding IF I should create humans or not.
well....He obviously DID create us...(IF)

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Message 14 of 33 (333766)
07-20-2006 3:20 PM
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07-20-2006 10:43 AM


Re: Why?
Phat writes:
carini writes: Why would god create humans?
Did He create us as sick and twisted?
He created us just the way we are, whether sick and twisted or healthy and gay/straight.
Even if one is foolish enough to believe in "the Fall", God is still responsible for creating us with the potential to fall. If we fell, we got the falling sickness from Him.
CK writes: if you had the ability to see the future and knew how it would all turn out?
I would then be faced with deciding IF I should create humans or not.
well....He obviously DID create us...
Is it obvious?
Maybe He did forsee that we would be "sick and twisted". Maybe He decided not to "create" us directly but to let us evolve naturally.

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Message 15 of 33 (333783)
07-20-2006 4:52 PM
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07-16-2006 5:40 PM


It seems ya' gots a romanticized view of nature. All sorts of other animals kill each other in sick, twisted, and gruesome ways. Hell, God's little pet comets and asteroids have probably killed many times more life than man has over the eons. Not to mention all of God's other little gems, disease, volcanos, tidal waves, earthquakes, much less food than the life on earth requires to live, etc. Long story short, God doesn't stop us because we're carrying out his will. 'Cept when our free will magically transcends God's sovereignty, despite his omni-tri-superness.

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