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Message 106 of 108 (140923)
09-08-2004 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by contracycle
09-08-2004 9:50 AM


Same discussion currently happening in two topics
It seems that this same disscussion is happening in both the "Political Correlation?" and the "What is Your Worldview?" topics.
I'm not disapproving your content (the non-admin mode is inclined to share your views), but the theme might well be marginal at best to the original intents of both topics.
I suggest that your theme might be better served by you starting a new "Coffee House" topic on what you are covering.
This message is being posted at both topics.
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Message 107 of 108 (140936)
09-08-2004 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by contracycle
09-08-2004 9:50 AM


Whose Utopia Is Better?
contracycle,
quote:
I advocate a system that is NON GOVERNMENT, but instead freedom and independance.
That's the same thing that libertarians and free-market hypercapitalists say, but that doesn't make it any less pie-in-the-sky just because you claim Marxism is a more valid philosophy than laissez-faire. Marxism is pseudoscientific, as evidenced by its inability to formulate testable predictions as well as the post-hoc rationalizations of its adherents in the face of its demonstrable shortcomings. If we can't claim that, for example, the old Soviet Union testifies to problems with Marxism (since you claim that state communism isn't a valid demonstration of true communism), then you can't claim that America is an example of capitalism's woes. The capitalists could merely repeat your claim that state capitalism is not true capitalism, and why would we have any more reason to accept their word than yours?
Let's recall that Marx's translation of Hegel's dialectics did indeed call for a dictatorship of the proletariat, the final post-revolution synthesis of political and economic power. In the absence of class struggle, this dictatorship was supposed to wither away as the society reorganized according to principles of egalitarianism and cooperation. It's not surprising that no communist society has made it to this Promised Land, since governments (let alone dictatorships) never operate for any other aim than self-perpetuation.
Revolution is the opium of the dogmatist. We're supposed to forget that the American Revolution led to the megacorporate capitalism that needs to conquer the world for garbage dumps, slave labor and rubes to whom it can shill its wares. We're not supposed to recall that the French Revolution led to the Reign of Terror and produced that paragon of egalitarianism, Napoleon. And we can't even mention the Russian Revolution, which led to a disastrous economic program that starved millions and a maniacal tyranny that crushed dissent mercilessly. You say you want a revolution? Count me out.
regards,
Esteban Hambre

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Message 108 of 108 (140937)
09-08-2004 11:26 AM


Terminally off-topic - Closing down
Take the current theme to a new topic.
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