What is Your Worldview?

We are a Nation,with all of the bagage and history that entails. We are not a Christian Nation by design. Hopefully, we will never become a theocracy of any type, but that is always a possibility.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I would not want a theocracy either, jar. We are not ready for that as a planet.

Your political compass:
Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.69I've taken this test about 8 times, I'm always in the lower left. Unsurprising to me, but often suprising to people who buy into the comic-book tale that communism = big government.

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Hangdawg is a loyal Christian who is also a Patriot. He believes that his country, despite its flaws, upholds Christian morality by freeing oppressed people from the shackles of dictators and such.

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Right. But in practice, as is almost always the case, religion supports the government of the day. HangDawgs belief in a non-existant god is much the same phenmonon as his support for a murderous aggressor state due to the delusion that it is "free.

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1) Contracycle, do you see an ideal government as being similar to the book of Acts? Specifically, Acts 2:43-47

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Careful - there is no GOVERNMENT described here; the only institution mentioned is the temple courts. What is being decsribed is the free association of producers engaged in the exchange of their produce. Yet, that is very much the social model I advocate, but I hasten to point this conception is NOT unique to christinaity or the bible; the Ulster cycle of legends, for example, describes the mythical Land of the Young as a place in which "no-one spoke of mine or thine".That is, IMO, free exhcange, the free market of produces, is the autocthonous mode of production of humans, and institutions like religion are used to justify rulership, theft, and expropriation.

Phat,I am answering your question with my historical understanding. At the end of WWII some of the old imperial powers were gone, well, they weren't called necessarily called imperial they were called colonial. Great Britian and Germany were weakened by the costs of the war. The US and Soviet Russia emerged as the 2 powers. And eventually the Soviet's system collapsed. Now the US remains the imperial power in the world. There is a possibility that in the future China will emerge as a world power.The thing I understand from my world view of history is that at some point empires spend more than they take in. It's very expensive to be the world power and none have been able to sustain that expense. Already the US carries a great debt to maintain our position.Now I'm not offering this as a criticism. Things can't be different than they are and throughout history there are the cycles of power. At the end of WWII the US was at the pinnacle. We are still in the high plateau and may be for many years. But the costs are adding up and having passed the peak we are in the decline whether it's yet perceptible. This is neither a good thing nor bad. Italy remains long after the Roman Empire, and the Holy Roman Empire. England remains long after the sun set on it's empire.lfen

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IOW, (and correct me if this is not what you are asking) would I give my life so someone with Contracycle's views could live in a free society? Absolutely.

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I'll take tyou up on that, then. Will you protect me from the US, will you rise up and overthrow the tyrannical regime that rains death from the skie on so many countries? Will you stand with me on the barricades in defence of freedom against rulership, against theft, against the oppression of capitalism and the West?Well?

Phat,That was interesting. Though I'm not sure how valid the test is. There is a lot of analysis that goes into creating good tests,and most of the net tests out there don't come close to qualifying.But I'm was pleased to find myself in the same quadrant as the Dalai Lama.. though beyond that sense of pleasure I doubt it means very much.Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.97lfen

Yeah? I was Economic Left/Right: -2.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49

Hangdawg13 No I mean someone who is counter to you in morals etc.. No, I mean real life not make believe.What do you mean you may be doing the kid a favour and how would you know,much less get to choose
whether that is the case or not when you are at war? Ok in a situation of war do you believe that as a soldier you get to choose whether you fight or not based on whether the fight is good or not? You are comfortable with the notion that you as a soldier do not get to use your scale of values when orders are given contrary to your values?Giving ones life for friends is one thing what if your actions merely worsen a situation for them? I also wonder why it is that sacrifices being a part of life in these situations involves people innocent of wrongdoing and how do they fit into your sense of values?

Man, I'm really tired, but I'll try to answer everyone's posts in a semi-coherent manner. He allowed himself to be subjected to some of the worst possible physical torture before dying physically. The physical torture was symbolic, so that we can somewhat understand the mental/spiritual pain of being separated from God and judged by God for our sins. He gave his physical and (temporarily) his spiritual life as a substitute for us, so that we might know the depth of God's love for us, and have forgiveness in repentance. The gift: eternal life with God, and freedom from sin. Let's not go there... ...yeah... pretty much.

Heh... let's not go there either...
Sorry, I just don't have the time right now, and its a little off worldviews and more onto the specifics of Christian theology.

The KJV is the only version I'm aware of that translates ratsach "kill". It is most commonly used to mean "murder". The Hebrews had another word for general killing. ...yes, I'm sure thats exactly what it means... So I guess I'm not a Christian since I've never murdered anyone, eh? Well, it sounds to me then like the best thing you can do is pack your shtuff up, move to Syria or Iran, Join the terr-- er-- freedom fighters, and help defend them from us so they can continue in their agenda to create a radical muslim world via destruction of the U.S., Israel, and all other free democracies through terrorism. Good luck, and send me a postcard from the freedom fighters headquarters.

And thank you for your replies. I don't think we are any longer a "Christian Nation"; however I do think that God is using this nation to protect freedom and prosperity and as a source for missionaries to the rest of the world. Taking the nation on the whole though, we are very much a secular society.I don't think there is anything wrong with defending national interests and looking out for the interests of our friends and allies.

Uh hem... unsupported assertion and rhetoric. I realize there are people like you around at every war, who just hate everyone because they are fighting. I just can't help ask again, why do you live in such an immoral country you so loathe? The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are extremely "pleasant" wars compared with all the other wars this nation has been involved in. Yet, if this nation had never fought all of these wars, this nation would not exist. By those words above, I assume you believe that America should not have existed or needs to be stopped as a global power. I mean I would certainly be all for de-fanging or even destroying a tyrranical "muderous agressor state". If so, why do YOU not do something about it? Just what are your convictions? Do you have any? Are you prepared give your all, even your life to stand up for what you believe?Of course not. Your worldview doesn't allow such convictions. You are content to sit there in the comfort of your home reaping the benefits of this tyrranical "murderous aggressor state" and spewing your anti-American anti-establishment anti-military venom, and enjoying the pats on the back from others who share your hate which is a projection of your own unhappiness....okay, sorry, just had to get that out of my system.Basically, you're worldview is divorced from reality... eh.. I'm too tired to type anymore. Alright, your worldview sux... there.. that pretty much sums up my opinions on the matter.

HAHAHAHAhaahaha!! Sorry, again, I just can't contain myself.Dude, you don't even have the conviction to stand up for what you believe in. I hope to go into the Marine Corps and fight for what I believe in and serve the nation that stands for those principles that I believe in. You realize that makes me your enemy? Let's see, you can't kill me (you're a pacifist) -- and you can't change my mind by saying I support a murderous tyrranical regime. Just WHAT does your worldview allow you to do to improve this world? I don't see you "rising up to overthrow the tyrranical regime that reigns death on so many countries," or standing on the "barricades of -- [whatever]". If you were actually willing to hold to your convictions to with everything you've got, I might have a little respect for you even if I completely disagree with those convictions (unless of course you did so by blowing yourself up in some bus). ...I'm tempted to continue with my childish rant, but I don't want to offend more than I already have... and I might regret it after I actually get some sleep... anyways, don't take any of that personally; I sure don't take any of this personally. Good night.

Careful, guys! Lets be nice. I'll break the silence and add another 2 cents into the kitty. Do any of you agree with the following statements?( These were gathered from college textbooks and are thought by me to be accurate)
1) Of all the material wealth in the world, 2% of the global population owns or controls 90+% of it.
In Iraq, 50% of the population is under age 25. 35% are under age 15.
Whether these youth are "terrorists" or "freedom fighters", they want what all youth in the world want. They want to "come up" and make their mark in life. I am not as far right on the spectrum as Hangdawg, but I am not convinced of the far left ideologies of contracycle either. Call me a moderate.
Young people often have a fiery passion which makes them unafraid of war. War is part of human nature, and has always occurred. All of us need to examine our inner fire and attempt to understand it.
I'll start with myself. Peace out.This message has been edited by Phatboy, 09-04-2004 06:23 AM