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Dan Carroll
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Message 271 of 297 (141037)
09-08-2004 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Chiroptera
09-08-2004 5:28 PM


Re: Prediction
I miss Wise, myself.

"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

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kendemyer
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Message 272 of 297 (141038)
09-08-2004 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by AdminAsgara
09-08-2004 5:24 PM


Re: Prediction
TO: asgara
Has buzzsaw ever been restricted?
Has Mike_the_whiz ever been restricted?
Please tell me if Buzzsaw has said he was a Christian.
Please tell me if Paulk said he was a hypocrite.
Please tell me what the definition of a hypocrite is.
It is exactly like Mr. Hambre saying please prove to me that a triangle has three sides and then I do it and then you claim I did not when I clearly have.
Is your professed atheism this weak that it cannot endure a little examination via the social sciences. It appears so. It is no surprise that this board is relatively dead because it actively discourages real debate from occurring.

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AdminAsgara
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Message 273 of 297 (141039)
09-08-2004 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by kendemyer
09-08-2004 5:32 PM


Re: Prediction
bye bye
suspension will be lifted on Fri Sept 10.
This message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 09-08-2004 04:37 PM

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jar
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Message 274 of 297 (141041)
09-08-2004 5:40 PM
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09-08-2004 5:37 PM


Prediction Fullfilled.
Please record Message 260 as a prophesy fullfilled for the next thread on that subject.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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AdminAsgara
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Message 275 of 297 (141044)
09-08-2004 5:45 PM
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09-08-2004 5:40 PM


Re: Prediction Fullfilled.
How can you call it a prediction, when it was a sure thing?

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mike the wiz
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Message 276 of 297 (141065)
09-08-2004 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by nator
09-03-2004 9:06 AM


Re: correction to crashfrog.
Mike, it looks like you are trying to pretend you didn't think that in order to avoid having to admit that you maybe made a mistake, or perhaps didn't know that "Naturalism" had two meanings.
That's an awfull big dig Shraff, I'm not sure I am following, all I said was that, " EVERY proclaiming unbeliever I have met mentions naturalism and the irrational position of "belief".
And I meant as in, physically meet, or had experience with where I come from, so - yes, I made a mistake to say "EVERY", well spotted.
Because there is no evidence at all that animals or the universe has been designed.
The universe/life - fine-tuning of it look like evidence to me.
Therefore, to reject evolution is laughable, just as it is laughable to reject a spherical Earth
But I can see pictures of a spherical earth at the nasa website. Not that I reject evolution, I just have some doubts about it.
Can you show me this design?
Yes. Look in the mirror.
The reason I favor that position is because I have never felt or seen anything which would indicate to me that God/gods exist, although I cannot completely rule out the possibility that they do exist.
I think that's a pretty objective view, don't you?
Yes, you win, I think you proved ur point here.
Maybe you wouldn't be so angry with athiests if you found some church to belong to or something, mike.
No, all that singing and ritual prayer stuff makes me fall asleep. To be honest, I probably prefer the company of atheists.
Just because we don't know the answer to some question doesn't give me the license to insert Godidit into that gap, however.
Why not? God did do it! and awesomely well aswell. Many even see the whole natural system as a self-sufficient bit of genius.
But you said u put stock in what's probable, abiogenesis certainly hasn't got any good odds down the betting office.
Have you ever been uneasy in the contemplation of there being "nothing" after you die, mike?
I found myself wondering what it would be like to not exist. But then, it wouldn't be like anything. Maybe because I have only ever existed, my mind cannot comprehend none-existence. Yet I seem to fear ghosts/afterlife more than none-existence.
As for invisible pink unicorns, unless an objective source informs me as to the "pink" and the "unicorn" I have no way of telling if they are pink unicorns as they are transparent. So, unless there was some outside source, or scriptures concerning them, maybe sixty six books agreeing on them collected from time, and therefore, sixty six different testifying authors, I tend not to believe the notion. Should I>?

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PaulK
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Message 277 of 297 (141168)
09-09-2004 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by kendemyer
09-08-2004 5:06 PM


Re: TO: Paulk and ALL
However your reading of the intent of the message was also in error. It seems that you do have a problem in admitting that.

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kendemyer
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Message 278 of 297 (141673)
09-11-2004 9:35 PM


to: ALL
{Content "hidden". See "reason for edit" notes below. - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Page was way over wide, apparently because of very long URL's. Said URL's were such a mess that I couldn't easily fix the problem. Besides, the message was badly off-topic. So I just "hid" the whole thing. Use "peek" if you want to see the mess.
Or at least I tried to hide the text. Upon preview, the hide code does not seem to be working. The "disable smilies in this post" also does not seem to be working.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Try "disable smilies" again.
Edited by Admin, : Fix formatting.

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kendemyer
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Message 279 of 297 (141674)
09-11-2004 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by kendemyer
09-11-2004 9:35 PM


Re: to: ALL
TO: bornobojones
I think the last post may have some good material regarding the hogging/ark issue.

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Rei
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Message 280 of 297 (141679)
09-11-2004 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by kendemyer
09-11-2004 9:35 PM


Re: to: ALL
Once again, it must be pointed out:
1) This is not the place for a discussion of Noah's ark.
2) Gigantic posts tend to get ignored.
The solution?
1) Get it its own thread.
2) Start with the premise, provide a link, name some of the key points, and let the discussion carry itself.

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JustinC
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Message 281 of 297 (141698)
09-11-2004 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by kendemyer
09-11-2004 9:35 PM


Re: to: ALL
quote:
Even if no professed atheist said that no Christian is a "poser" the Christians still have martyrs and there is still no real evidenceconsistent with atheism/skepticism (which implies a high standard) that atheism exist.
You have yet to even respond to my post, which shows that atheists, just like Christians, sacrifice on behalf of their belief. That is exactly what martyrdom does. If you cannot refute it, then please stop using the same arguments.
I will repost my post in order for you to respond to it on point by point basis, if you cannot do this then please stop making the same tired arguments.
My previous post:
quote:
Now first we have to consider that many Christians have been attacked suddenly. For example, rounded up by some religious authorities or civil authorities such a Rome (even though they were model citizens). In short, many martyrs did not choose martrydom it was imposed upon them if they did not recant.
They had a choice to recant. They therefore chose martyrdom.
But this is besides the point of my post. Don't you think it's ridiculous of me to say that these martyrs didn't actually believe in their religion? In the same way, it is ridiculous of you to say that people who devote their whole lives to atheist philosophy, i.e., defending it, elucidating it, being ostracized for it, etc., are not actually atheists.
Why would they put up this front if they were not atheists? Why would they sacrific prodigous amounts of time defending it against bigots, out themselves from family and friends, cause mental anguish amongst their religous family and friends, proselytize their beliefs, be the subject of Q&A sessions everytime someone finds out their beliefs, give up social acceptance, give up eternal life with God, and, in the case of my friend, choose not to deny his atheism and give up a relationship with his Catholic girlfriend who he loved very much?
This is the main point of my last post that you failed to address. You declared that sacrific on behalf of one's belief is proof that they are sincere. Do atheists not sacrifice on behalf of their beliefs?
quote:
Next, people might deny there is a God out of anger, rebellion, or for a multitude of reasons.
So atheists sacrific large parts of their lives because they are angry with God, etc. Do you have any evidence that their are atheists who lack a belief in God for this reason? And I don't think testimonials of ex-atheists are good evidence, since the testimonials are subject to ad hoc rationalizations based on their current belief system, and is not necessarily indicative on their views while they were atheists. Can you give me an example of an atheist who lacks a belief in God out of anger? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with this, I'm just curious whether you have any examples.
People may deny the nonexistance of a magical being because they are afraid of the conclusions that might follow. Can you provide me with some evidence that martyrs you cited weren't in denial, the same way you claim atheists are in denial?
If you cite that fact that they sacrificed for their beliefs, why doesn't the atheist's personal sacrifice measure up?
quote:
2. Human history is replete with human corruptness. The Bible says men are corrupt and concurs and furthermore says men are rebelling against a good God. Individuals who are rebellious would sometimes be expected to write against there being no God even when there is a God.
I do not accept the Bible as a book that accurately reflecting human nature. What the Bible says about this subject means absolutely nothing to me.
Humans have been corrupt throughout history, as you say. But there has always been an incentive, such as money, power, lust, etc. What's the incentive for atheism? Being bigoted? Being tortured for eternity for unbelief?
quote:
3. Atheism/skepticism implies a high standard of proof. Presenting low quality information like you have repeatedly tried is inconsistent.
How is it low quality? It is the same type of proof you gave supporting the proposal that Christians exist. If you don't think sacrifice on behalf of one's belief is evidence they are sincere, then you have not shown that Christians exist.

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Message 282 of 297 (141738)
09-12-2004 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 278 by kendemyer
09-11-2004 9:35 PM


Re: to: ALL
Ken, this is a blatant attempt to make an end run around the rules. Any discussion of the ark in this thread will result in it being closed.

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lfen
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Message 283 of 297 (141750)
09-12-2004 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by kendemyer
09-11-2004 9:35 PM


Re: to: ALL
Kendemyer, my little fruitcake, What does all this material on Noah's ark have to do with your OP about atheism, pray tell?
lfen

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jar
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Message 284 of 297 (141756)
09-12-2004 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by kendemyer
09-11-2004 9:37 PM


Re: to: ALL
Ken, there is still an open question for you in the abiogenesis thread. I would really like for you to tell us what would make a conference upbeat. Will I have to follow you around the net and ask this same question in every thread you participate in? I can if that is what is required.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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lfen
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Message 285 of 297 (141758)
09-12-2004 1:14 PM
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09-12-2004 12:56 PM


What makes a conference upbeat?
Jar,
Ken is just making a modest attempt to spare you humiliation at his hands. So, I'll tell you what you should have figured out by now.
What makes a confernce upbeat?
It's not upbeat UNTIL KEN SAYS IT'S UPBEAT! Ba Ba BOOM!!!!
sheesh, Jar, how obtuse can you get?
lfen

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