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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 68 (64657)
11-05-2003 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by NosyNed
11-05-2003 1:33 AM


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Does God have no sense of humour?
Don't think he'll view insults to creator/deity as humor in the judgement. This's the kind of stuff that gets his dander up.

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Buzsaw
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Message 32 of 68 (64658)
11-05-2003 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by PaulK
11-05-2003 2:25 AM


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I really don't understand the issue. If you were a Mormon then you'd HAVE to insist that God was male. However I don't see how a transcendant unique self-sufficient deity would have a gender as we understand it.
I don't try to understand one who is of a much higher dimension of myself. I read his book and see what he is. Are you able to do that?
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-05-2003]

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 68 (64662)
11-05-2003 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by JustinC
11-05-2003 8:04 AM


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Buz, can someone explain to me why an eternal, omnipotent, and omniscient being would have a male or female sexual organ?
Understanding the god Jehovah is to read his book of over a thousand pages in which he's self depicted as male gender. Spirit deity needs nothing physical including specific body parts to determine gender. Don't try to make him human. His inspired words says he's male, all 1000 + pages of them. You wanta feminize him, go ahead at your own risk, but remember one thing........he also refers of himself as a "consuming fire" and he, the god of love, does get fed up eventually and becomes the god of wrath. Just a helpful warning from a friend. Ok?

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 68 (64665)
11-06-2003 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
11-05-2003 8:28 AM


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We're talking about an entity that creates life, nurtures its children, has a son with no mate, and has enough unconditional love for every being in the universe.
1. Crashy, there's one problematic word in your statement about God, that word unconditional. You insult him by feminizing him and some day in the here or the hereafter you'll see his love is not totally unconditional. "Be sure your sins will find you out", says, not buz, but God's words.
2. The male is created and depicted as the stronger of the sexes with the leadership role in the Bible. To feminize the creator deity is to imply that deity to be of the "weaker sex."
[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 11-06-2003]

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 68 (64666)
11-06-2003 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Dan Carroll
11-05-2003 9:16 AM


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Sure he does. He planted all that evidence for an old Earth all over the place
Buz's never claimed the earth to be young.........Just the living stuff in it.

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 68 (64667)
11-06-2003 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by IrishRockhound
11-05-2003 9:39 AM


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I think Buz might be missing the point here... Was Schraf necessarily talking about the Christian god? There's any number of goddesses out there who wouldn't think twice about that post.
Her post was in respnse to a buz post, so buz assumes it was in reference to the god buz was referring to in the thread.

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Buzsaw
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Message 37 of 68 (64668)
11-06-2003 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Amlodhi
11-05-2003 10:02 AM


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Because all of these pages were written by people who were steeped in a patriarchal culture.
........in the original book about Jehovah, so what else do you have to go by? If it were't the Bible nobody'd ever know there was a Jehovah. So let him choose his gender. If you want to talk about a goddess, go to another book of another religion. Ok?

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 68 (64669)
11-06-2003 12:19 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Coragyps
11-05-2003 12:37 PM


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And just how much respect do you commonly show, buz, for the Invisible Pink Unicorn (PBUHHH!)? Or Eris? Or Coyote?
Let these gods prove themselves as Jehovah has by something supernatual and they'll have my respect. In fact I respect Satan and his demons as powerful real life beings. That's why I go to God and his son, Jesus to overcome and resist these powerful entities and their human agents, whomever thay may be. Jesus is the "big brother" who can whop them. Puny little humankind bus's no match ror the least of these without higher help.

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Buzsaw
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Message 39 of 68 (64671)
11-06-2003 12:31 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Loudmouth
11-05-2003 12:51 PM


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How about another DEEEEP concept. God told Moses "I am the I am." The one time God could have picked a sex and didn't. The references to HIM was put in by male scribes and human writers, not God referencing his/herself. If anything, God is androgenous.
I can't believe the total ignorance you all are expressing in these nonsensical posts about the god Jehovah. When I make statements about Muhammed or his god Allah, you all in a chorus want documentation from his book the Quran. So why don't you all give the god Jehovah the same respect and let him say who and what he is?? Your nonsenical statement is implying that every statement in the Bible about the god Jehovah must refer to gender. The cited scripture simply is saying he's the "existing one," which is the meaning of Jehovah. This's all so nonsensical on youall's part. Shame on the lot of you in this regard!
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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 68 (64674)
11-06-2003 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by nator
11-05-2003 8:02 PM


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That's Mr. Schrafinator SIR to you, Buzsaw.
LOL. To buz, you're still a woman, madear mam.
Mr. Buz

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Buzsaw
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Message 41 of 68 (64675)
11-06-2003 12:49 AM


Well, there, all caught up, leaving you yungeruns to sort it all out, if you wish. Gooooood Nite.

  
Coragyps
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Message 42 of 68 (64689)
11-06-2003 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
11-06-2003 12:19 AM


Let these gods prove themselves as Jehovah has by something supernatual and they'll have my respect.
Already done. Just read up on all the supernatural stuff Coyote did....or ask the Frog Women what he did to them!
But watch him, He's sneaky.
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PaulK
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Message 43 of 68 (64690)
11-06-2003 6:21 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Buzsaw
11-05-2003 11:36 PM


But you DO try to understand God's nature - and you do so by assuming that the Biblical references (written by humans, not God !) are God telling us that He is literally male. Try an alternative view - the passages describing God as male are not a literal truth - rather they reflect the posiitons of the genders within the society of the time. Our society is different and those distinctions are very heavily eroded and so there is no insult.

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IrishRockhound
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Posts: 569
From: Ireland
Joined: 05-19-2003


Message 44 of 68 (64693)
11-06-2003 7:27 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Buzsaw
11-06-2003 12:07 AM


Hey, it was just a thought.
Anyway, can you admit that the references to god in the bible as being male could just be a result of the patriarchal culture in which it was written? A few people have brought this up and it seems to be the likeliest explanation.
The Rock Hound

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crashfrog
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Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 45 of 68 (64698)
11-06-2003 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
11-06-2003 12:01 AM


Ah, now we get down to it. "Woman" = "worse" to you and the Bible, so naturally God must be male, because male is better.
Well, you can think like that, if you like. That's just one more thing that drives me away from religion.

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