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Spencer
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Message 16 of 22 (94265)
03-23-2004 9:13 PM


Anyone remember the position of Neo's body after he died?

  
crashfrog
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Message 17 of 22 (94308)
03-24-2004 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by joshua221
03-23-2004 8:08 PM


This is old but I was just fascinated with the Movie's realation to the Bible, why this is at all offending to you I don't know.
It's not that it's offensive. It's that it's trivial. The Matrix movies bear a resemblance to the Bible because that's exactly what the Brothers W intended - that their movies should riff on themes common to religions, like transcendence and secret knowledge. It's mind-boggling that you find the resemblance to the Bible significant to talk about.
It's like being the last person to notice that "The Passion of the Christ" might just touch on a few Biblical themes.
Duh.

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joshua221 
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Message 18 of 22 (94538)
03-24-2004 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by crashfrog
03-24-2004 12:53 AM


Ok, so next time I won't bring up any interesting things that I just might happen to see, I'll at first think that it is probably trivial, then realize that I must be slow on the uptake anyway. Thanks a lot, really opened my eyes a great deal.

The earth is flat.

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joshua221 
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Message 19 of 22 (94539)
03-24-2004 5:58 PM
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03-24-2004 12:53 AM


I Hope you will ponder this...

The earth is flat.

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MexicanHotChocolate
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Message 20 of 22 (116288)
06-18-2004 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by joshua221
03-24-2004 5:58 PM


People get so personally offended by what anonymous strangers say in online Forums...

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Trae
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Message 21 of 22 (117111)
06-21-2004 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
11-22-2003 6:52 PM


quote:
Also some sybolism I saw that was forgotten on the first film is the red pill representing Christ's blood, the blue pill Hell.
Or Blue= world in the movie, and red= Morpheus' squad etc..
No one really seemed to answer you. Apart from the colors it seemed clear to me it was a Jefferson Airplane reference. Jefferson Airplane released a song called, White Rabbit. Which was a song about taking acid. Acid taking was considered to be mind expanding and allow you to perceive reality in new ways.
One pill makes you larger,
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice,
when she's ten feet tall. ...
Seems to me that’s what Morpheus is alluding to,
Morpheus: I imagine that right now you're feeling a bit like Alice. Tumbling down the rabbit hole?
Neo: You could say that.
Morpheus: I can see it in your eyes. You have the look of a man who accepts what he sees because he's expecting to wake up. Ironically, this is not far from the truth. Do you believe in fate, Neo?
Neo: No.
Morpheus: Why not?
Neo: 'Cause I don't like the idea that I'm not in control of my life.
Morpheus: I know exactly what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know, you can't explain. But you feel it. You felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there. Like a splinter in your mind -- driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
And then later.
Morpheus: You take the blue pill and the story ends. You wake in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. (a red pill is shown in his other hand) You take the red pill and you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes. (Long pause; Neo begins to reach for the red pill) Remember -- all I am offering is the truth, nothing more.
White Rabbit was based on Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll. That connection seems pretty strong. As to Christ’s Blood, given reality shifts and drugs, it doesn’t really seem like a perfect fit.

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arachnophilia
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Message 22 of 22 (120067)
06-29-2004 5:16 PM
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06-21-2004 12:14 PM


haha. i like that.
but in response to original position of the thread, there ARE judeo-christian elements to the matrix. there are also hindu, budhist, gnostic elements, etc.
a very predominant one for the jew-xtian bit is neo's name: thomas anderson. it literally means "twin of the son of man." and he literally rises from the dead at the end of the first movie.
there's a lot more, but i'm sure a quick googling will reveal it, and other religious imagery.

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