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Author Topic:   Is macroevolution a religion? Should we rename it evolutiontarianism?
joshua221 
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Message 91 of 112 (93742)
03-21-2004 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by nator
03-02-2004 7:51 AM


Re: what is PC?
"That was an incredibly offensive, unjustified insult that I insist you either justify or retract."
It's better then being called a flat-earther...

The earth is flat.

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nator
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Message 92 of 112 (93755)
03-21-2004 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by joshua221
03-21-2004 8:09 PM


Re: what is PC?
quote:
It's better then being called a flat-earther...
Um, OK.
What does this have to do with anything being discussed in this thread?

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kendemyer
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Message 93 of 112 (93872)
03-22-2004 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by crashfrog
03-21-2004 5:16 PM


To: crashfrog
I believe you are failing to adequately address the central issue of a previous post of mine. Namely, Darwin fish do preach evolution via bumperstickers and we simply do not see this as much in other areas of alledged/real science. For example, I have never seen any of the products that were mentioned on your links. Not one! Darwin fish are fairly common though and not one person here has said, "What is a Darwin fish?". Hence, they are common.
If you want to do a poll and see how many people have seen your items that were mentioned via your links please feel free to do so. I, however, have never seen any of them.
Sincerely,
Ken
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[This message has been edited by kendemyer, 03-22-2004]

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MrHambre
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Message 94 of 112 (93878)
03-22-2004 3:16 PM
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03-20-2004 4:36 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
With election time approaching here in the USSA, I gather Ken will start thinking we live in a theocracy.
regards,
Esteban "Honk If You're Inerrant" Hambre

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kendemyer
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Message 95 of 112 (93879)
03-22-2004 3:24 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by MrHambre
03-22-2004 3:16 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
Mr. Hambre:
The whole world is a theocracy. God still sits on the throne although He does allow human and angelic freedom although not total freedom. I am looking for a better state of affairs in the future when those who oppose God are no longer in a position to have much effect on believers though. Ultimately though, even the unpleasant things that happen to believers (robberies, etc) can cause believers to become more like Christ if we respond to them in a judicious manner.
Sincerely,
Ken
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Minnemooseus
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Message 96 of 112 (93882)
03-22-2004 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by kendemyer
03-22-2004 2:57 PM


Religious implications of the Darwin Fish
I think the "Darwin Fish" can be looked upon several different ways.
Just as a general joke, or as a scientific statement against creationism, or as a Christian theological statement against creationism.
Only the third has religious implications. Maybe the bearer of the "Darwin Fish" is expressing that s/he is a non-fundamentalist Christian.
Moose

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JonF
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Message 97 of 112 (93887)
03-22-2004 3:53 PM
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03-22-2004 3:24 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
I am looking for a better state of affairs in the future when those who oppose God are no longer in a position to have much effect on believers though
Ah, you're one of the really dangerous ones who wants to overturn the U.S. Constitution.

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kendemyer
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Message 98 of 112 (93893)
03-22-2004 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by JonF
03-22-2004 3:53 PM


to:JonF
To: JonF
The US Constitution has a reference to Jesus, but no reference to atheism. The Constitution says, "in the year of our Lord". Why would I want to overthrow the US Constitution which was exclusively or at a bare minumum predominently authored and signed by theist rather than professed atheist? Also, do not forget shortly after the constitution was signed, the government authorized a senate chaplain (I believe it was in the 1780's). If I wanted atheistic government I would move to North Korea.
Sincerely,
Ken
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RAZD
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Message 99 of 112 (93896)
03-22-2004 4:30 PM
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03-22-2004 3:53 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
like theocracy?
think US discriminates against your faith?
move to Iran.
or quiteyerbitchin

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand

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MrHambre
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Message 100 of 112 (93901)
03-22-2004 4:57 PM
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03-22-2004 4:30 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
I would certainly never live in a theocracy that didn't allow angelic freedom. There is a difference, you know.
regards,
Esteban "Halo" Hambre

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RAZD
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Message 101 of 112 (93903)
03-22-2004 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by MrHambre
03-22-2004 4:57 PM


Re: Darwin fish is an example of evolutiontarianism being a religion
No I don't know. The theocracy is only a "good idea" to those who think they are on the approved track of the theocracy.
Problem is that the {will of god} needs to be interpreted by {man} to impliment. As yet, I know of no single person who has that line of communication. It become rule by deluded whim ... eventually.

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand

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crashfrog
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Message 102 of 112 (93927)
03-22-2004 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by kendemyer
03-22-2004 2:57 PM


I believe you are failing to adequately address the central issue of a previous post of mine. Namely, Darwin fish do preach evolution via bumperstickers and we simply do not see this as much in other areas of alledged/real science.
And the central issue that you have failed to address is that bumper stickers don't connote religion.
The majority of bumper stickers I see are political in nature. Is politics religion? Is the Republican Party a church?
For example, I have never seen any of the products that were mentioned on your links.
I, on the other hand, have seen many of them. I submit that you have, too, but have simply forgotten because it wouldn't be convienient to your ideology to remember.
I, however, have never seen any of them.
It of course doesn't matter a whit, because bumper stickers aren't religious, they're universally either political or humorous. The Darwin Fish is a funny satire. It's not a religious text.
You've failed to substaniate a connection between bumper stickers and religion. Your position is refuted for the third time.

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joshua221 
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Message 103 of 112 (94251)
03-23-2004 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by nator
03-21-2004 9:04 PM


Re: what is PC?
"murderous taliban", Ring a bell?

The earth is flat.

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kendemyer
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Message 104 of 112 (94257)
03-23-2004 8:27 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by crashfrog
03-22-2004 6:12 PM


to: crashfrog
I believe the darwin fish show that some evolutionist are zealots who wish to preach their message. It is like a false religion. I would say that darwinism is window dressing for materialism that has no real empirical support. I simply do not see this type of group behavior manifest by other pseudoscience/science areas that is so manifestly shown by darwinist and which can be readily seen by darwin fish. I realize the word religion has many meanings. I am using this one which is mentioned by http://www.dictionary.com:
"A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion."
I believe darwinism is a false religion.
Sincerely,
Ken

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crashfrog
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Message 105 of 112 (94314)
03-24-2004 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by kendemyer
03-23-2004 8:27 PM


I believe the darwin fish show that some evolutionist are zealots who wish to preach their message.
Having known several people with darwin fish on their cars, I believe that the darwin fish shows that some people are wiseasses who like to poke fun at religion.
I've spoken to a number of people on the subject. Have you? Or is it enough for your ideology to just make assumptions about motivations?
I simply do not see this type of group behavior manifest by other pseudoscience/science areas that is so manifestly shown by darwinist and which can be readily seen by darwin fish.
To the contrary, you have seen it, because I showed it to you.
I believe darwinism is a false religion.
A belief which colors your entire view and blinds you to the counterevidence I have presented, which is ample.
Ignoring rebuttals and repeating unsupported assertions is against the forum guidelines.

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