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goldenlightArchangel
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Message 16 of 30 (468963)
06-02-2008 4:49 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by mark24
05-29-2008 8:32 AM


Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
quote:
god knew their nature yet punished them for it
1st. - when one chooses to buy bread, the fact of paying the price does not mean that the price that is paid would be a supposed punishment, but the adulterated translation of Genesis made by the Scribes, which was left to the doctrines of faiths and abominations of the earth, has been crediting the theory of punishment which belongs to the dragon--the father of the beliefs/lies.
2nd. - According to the eternal Justice a child does not have to pay for a choice his-her parents made.
3rd. - The first instruction from the beginning of Genesis is still valid and remains forever.
1/2. immediate - lef - Do the biblical dictionaries agree that the word 'elohim' was a common generic designation for deity in the middle east?
Beth - Did ELiYouN (Most High--He that Declares) self designate as 'elohim--god' which was a common generic designation for deity in the middle east?
Gmel - Was the word 'EL', in the original Hebrew names, first written to be the short form of ELIYOUN (Most High--He that Declares)?
Dálet - Was the word 'EL', in the original Hebrew names, first written to be the short form of a common generic designation for deity (elohim) in the middle east?
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In the days of Mosheh 'to worship a deity (elohim)' meant to worship the calves
Datasegment's definition for deity,
A god or goddess; a heathen god. [1913 Webster]
To worship calves, the deities of Egypt.
--[1913 Webster]
The first lie starts when one reads the first paragraph for the hearers:
in the beginning elohim...
that is what the children or first time hearers do hear,
because the audible part, the part of a word that is heard, cannot be capitalized.
And the child or first time hearer hears
'in the beginning god/elohim...'
--from the versions that proceeded from the mastercopy that is according to the Scribes, religion and theologies--
instead of the kadhosh way to regard the eternal one of Israel.
See the words 'kadhosh'(separate) and 'eternal one'
in the above sentence.
They are not capitalized and the reader understands their written form
because these words are not a common designation.
The premises of the Word are:
the name that remains forever and the kadhosh designations,
and the principles of the truth that common is common,
common is neither holy nor kashosh (separate).
Would one like Genesis as originally written,
the first step is to listen to the Word and then ascertain and know
that it is pointless to lean away from the premises of the beginning.
The premises of the beginning are:
A kadhosh designation,
that is the kadhosh way to regard the eternal one of Israel,
and the most kadhosh: the eternal name that remains eternally,
which translates I AM THAT I AM,
and says, 'I AM the same, I AM the first, I AM also the last',
and is the same Word that became flesh: YHWH'SHUAH -- I AM IS THE SALVATION
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did the Scribes not lock the door of the scrolls?
or did they not adulterate the previous work of the Sages?
It is the Word become flesh who first attested: 'woe to you Scribes and Priests
from religiosity, because you lock the doors [the scrolls]
of the kingdom of heaven against men,
for you yourselves do not enter in,
nor will you let those enter who are trying to'.
Therefore, the evidences of the locking of the door/scrolls
of the Law/Torah are against the lying pen of the scribes.
Did ELiYouN (Most High--He that Declares) self designate as 'elohim--god' which was a common generic designation for deity in the middle east?
No.
Because a common designation for deity is a common designation for deity,
and is neither holy nor kadhosh (separate),
since a deity(god--elohim) can be made of anything, dirty, wood, dust...
a deity is spiritually less than nothing.
Therefore the term 'god--elohim' has nothing to do with Kodesh,
the same exact way that the word 'swine' is a common designation,
and has nothing to do with the kadhosh designation 'sheep'.
Example: the term 'catfish' is not an appropriate term to refer to a chosen one,
because the words that can be used to refer
to a chosen one are kadhosh designations like
sheep and good fish
The word 'elohim,
which was a generic and common designation of deity in the middle east,
is not the same as 'ELiYouN' (He that Declares),
and therefore, the only possibilities that are left
while utilizing the words '...other than me' and '...other besides me',
in the sentence of the first commandment as originally written are,
I AM YHWH your EliYouN (He that Declares)
You shall have no other EliYouN (Instructor--he that declares) than me,
which means: 'you shall have no god/elohim at all before me',
and proves once more that the Most High did not say the words 'elohim other than me' or 'other god besides me' from the Scribes' adulterated mastercopy,
but these evidences have been falling on deaf ears.
quote:
proof of transcription as originally written,
Now about things offered to images,
we all seem to ourselves to have knowledge.
Knowledge alone --without the love-- is vanity,
but if applied with the love of friendship for the Most High gives true strength.
If anyone seems to have knowledge that comes from himself,
so far he has not the right sort of knowledge about anything spiritual;
But if anyone has the love of the Higher,
the Most Holy has given him that knowledge.
So, then, as to the question of taking food that had been offered to images,
we are certain that an image is nothing in the world,
and that there is no *one that declares-- but one.
* ELiYouN [Most High--He that declares]
Because there are those who call their image by the designation
'elohim--god of whether heaven or earth',
as there are a number of abominations--beliefs that are called by the common designations: 'elohim--god' and 'lord',
but to us, it was given to regard the Most Holy as the only Holy One,
**the Eternal Begetter, of whom are all things, and we are for him through one mediation of his own: YHWH'SHUAH --I AM IS THE SALVATION.
** The Begetter of eternity.
Still, not all men have knowledge of the covenant yet.
For there are some that were accustomed,
because of the traditions up to this time,
to take food that had been offered to the image,
and because of their weakness in understanding and lack of knowledge,
the Most High's approval on them is not based on the food they take:
Whether they take it or not, it is not the food they take that will make their access to knowledge neither better or worse.
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the word ELiYouN (Eliyon) means Most High; Higher; Upper,
also ELiYouN (Eliyon) means 'He that pronounces or declares',
the Scripture says,
See, I have made you to be ELIYON--He that Pronounces-- before Pharaoh,
and Aaron your brother will be your prophet--vessel.
*prophet; vessel; instrument through which the word is pronounced.
but the version --not the reality-- says
'I have made you to be a god--elohim...'
-------
Is it because there is no ELIYON--He that Declares; Instructor-- in Ishrael
that you are going to inquire the word of Baal-zebub, the elohim of Ekron?
and the version says: 'Is it because there is no elohim--god in Israel that you are going to...'
------- IsaIah--YtzsháYaH says,
Declare the things that are going to come afterward,
That we may know that you are ELIYON--He that Declares Indeed,
do good or evil, that we may anxiously look about us and fear together.
------- and in the Psalms,
They do not know or understand;
they wander in darkness.
All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
I said, "You are ELIYON--He that Pronounce (the word);
you are all first-fruits of ELIYON--He that speaks the word.
Holman Standard: ...you are all sons of the Most High.
Transcription -- Isn't it written in the Law of the Testimony, I said, you are ELIYON--He that Declares?
If the Scripture calls 'ELIYON'(He that Pronounces) those whom the word of YHWH is pronounced to --and the Scripture does not lie--
do you say, 'You are blaspheming' to the One the Begetter set apart and sent into the world, because I said: I AM the First-fruit of YHWH?
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : 1st line
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : 2nd line

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Message 17 of 30 (469033)
06-03-2008 4:54 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by goldenlightArchangel
06-02-2008 4:49 PM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
CrazyDiamond,
According to the eternal Justice a child do not have to pay for a choice his-her parents made.
But they did, the fall of man.
Mark

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Message 18 of 30 (469074)
06-03-2008 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by mark24
06-03-2008 4:54 AM


distinction between punishment and price to be paid
Although the Scribes have been writing the opposite, adulterating the copies of the manuscripts of Genesis,
in the measure that they continued to eat the properties--nutrients from the dust of the earth, the man and his mate followed gradually a trajectory of return to the dust. They did not pay for more than the price of the choice that they made, not a punishment.
If the validity of the first instruction is eternal,
then there is still time to choose what Jehaveh --I AM-- had already chosen for you in the words From the fruits of the solid trees you can freely eat, except the one that is fruit and food at one time..
he--she might argue that everything changed with the fall, including the first eternal instruction...
The spiritually imposed doctrines of faiths of the earth don't see the instructions given from the beginning as anything significant since:
1st. In the mind of those doctrines (or beasts; since a doctrine is not a human being), Adam was expelled from the Garden thus anything that was brought up beforehand would be void and would not pertain to this day and age.
2nd. The dietary laws brought up in the books of the Law do pertain to foods and include meats and thus in the mind of the doctrines of faiths, would still make the instructions given from the beginning void and would not pertain to this day and age.
3rd. The obscure doctrines also like to bring up the passage where it is said that it isn't what goes into the body that makes one unclean but what comes out of the body and by doing this it backs up their claims that it doesn't matter what one eats. There are also a few more things that those doctrines like to bring up and one of them is that they will always place the blame for their ills, the death, and both good and evil squarely on the dragon --the old-style serpent-- that was in the garden. Everything would be all 'its' fault...
The same eternal Justice does not force a redeemed one to pay for other person's choices.
The nutrient properties of the fruits from the compatible trees are not made of the dust of the ground, which means that they do not proceed directly from the ground, but Adam and Eve had chosen to eat bread and food and that was their choice, the price they paid for not eating only the fruits from the appropriate trees was the return to the dust of the ground.
Sometimes he--she might argue that no one is under an obligation to eat the way the first instruction described; but he--she also might comprehend that the original word is 'by aemunah--fidelity --which means 'not because of any obligation'; 'not because of the imposition of human ministration'; 'not because of operation of law(or rules over rules)'; 'not before any image of doctrines of faiths--beliefs that were made by the inhabitants of the earth and their supposed spiritual authorities from down';
do it by free will--spontaneously, for love of friendship, not by obligation, but by fidelitate.
The word fidelity is from the Scriptures as originally written, but the word faith/belief have been proved to be from the versions of scripture, because there are evidences that the word fidelity --from the original Roman word fidelitate-- was substituted with the word 'fide' (faith/belief) in the mastercopy of versions of scripture that proceeded from the Mother church.
It is not possible for one to recognize the very beginning --in which the fear of death first started--,
unless he--she first recognizes that Yahweh is not the author of death and did not make him-her to die.
There is a moment of choice and a time of free will that is granted to everyone
by the eternal Justice,
but the spirit of man has been often choosing his own ways,
to not give ears to the first instructions of life.
There is no fear of death chained to him--her that he--she did not or does not have power to choose it to be so,
but the big majority have been choosing the death
and the fear of death up to this day.
See the distinction between punishment and Price to be paid,
The man, which I AM/Yahweh/Jehaveh formed from the dust of the earth,
and his mate, having chosen not to eat only the fruits which
they were instructed by the eternal words that they can freely eat,
had to pay the price because of the choice they made: his work became with toil
for the food that perishes. Her childbearing became with pain,
also the *glory of her spirit --the natural splendor of her spirit and strength of her desire-- became reserved exclusively for her spouse, **instead of that glory remain reserved to the Eternal and Celestial in the first place.
* In order for her to prophesy with the power and authority of the Word of YHWH,
she must have the Free Will of wearing the Sign of YAHWEH's Power over her head --the principal part of the head: the forehead which is the place that is attested, by the eternal words, to be the reserved place for the Name that remains eternally.
** When she recites the eternal instruction or prophesy with the authority of the Name that remains eternally: It is by wearing the foreheadcovering--The Sign of Power over her head: The Sign of YHWH's Authority which reclothes her forehead --the principal part of her head--, that she becomes, in that moment, reserved exclusively to the authority and power of YAHWEH of the Hosts,
instead of having anything to do with the temporary sign of power of the spirit of man, whether her father or spouse's sign of temporary power.
quote:
From Quitting the mode of incompatibility
Simplicity: food is made of the dust of the ground. You become what you eat. Continue to eat food and then that’s what you’ll become: dust of the ground.
and the fear of death is the spiritual part of that return to the dust of the ground.
Specificity: the nutrient properties of the fruits from the compatible trees aren’t made of the dust of the ground,
but of filtered properties
made of the solid trees,
whose trunk is made up of millions of little bitty tubes that do filter all that must be purified and separate out in order for the fruit nutrients to be an exclusive property of the tree itself.
It is not possible to profit from eating the nutrient properties which the food and bread are made of, because his--her body was made of the same nutrient properties from the dust of the ground. For continuing to eat food or bread he--she tends to return to the dust of the ground.
Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : 3rd paragraph

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Message 19 of 30 (469078)
06-03-2008 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by IamJoseph
05-28-2008 11:02 AM


The two accounts of Genesis
IamJoseph writes:
There are aspects of this episode I do not understand and see as mysterious or enigmatic
There are no contradictions in the Scriptures as originally written,
for the contradiction lies in the titles, introductions,
complementary explanations and footnotes that were added by the Scribes. The contradiction started from the re-editions of complementary explanations which had been adapted and inserted in Scripture from time to time by the ones that have locked the door of the scrolls,
Because knowledge of the truth cannot be retained through
the doctrines of demons and of the father of the beliefs. See one of the evidences that is called 'the acts of Mosheh', 1st. - the books of Mosheh were written by Mosheh,
2nd. - the actions Mosheh did were written by himself:
and his actions he himself attested in the first person of the singular, saying, I did it, like in the Song of Mosheh.
After the re-editions made by the Scribes, one evidence more of the door of the scrolls being locked by the religious ones is clear, because it is not possible that Mosheh would have supposedly written about his actions using the third person of the singular.
The second lie that was embedded by the Scribes in the copies of Genesis,
has been the belief that the angels would have been made to be
the legitimate sons of the Most High.
Were the angels made to be the sons of the Most High?
No. Because the usage of the term 'first-fruit of ELiYouN'
(from the book of Job as originally written)
has been written to hold the significance and meaning of 'spark--extension' and 'first-fruit of the devouring fire of Yahweh of the Hosts,
because the bodies of the creatures (the cherub angels)
were made to be a lamp for the shining intense light,
In the time that it is attested that the bodies of the cherub angels
were made to be a lamp for the glittering of the shining Light of
YHWH--I AM the Light--,
the evidence is clear that the angels were not made to be the Light itself
and that they were made to serve on behalf of the legitimate sons.
For only the spiritual descendence of Abraham can be the legitimate sons,
because one must born again and an angel was not made to born again.
The spiritual descendence of Abraham is born once in the flesh
(for being generated once according to the precipitation of the flesh),
and then born again in Spirit when he--she comes to be generated again,
now according to the will of the Spirit.
There are two accounts in Genesis,
Evidences:
The generation of the sons and daughters of men
1st - were formed in the sixth day
2nd - were made to be creatures
3rd - were made to be male and female
4th - were made to live 120 years
5th - were given to eat not only the appropriate fruits from the solid trees
The generation of Adam, which is of the sons and daughters of the Most High
1st - was formed after the seventh day
2nd - was made to be a son--legitimate generation of EliYouN
3rd - the soul of the female was made from the substance of Adam
4th - Adam was made to abide the living (vivifying) YHWH's breath.
And it was not the regular ordinary breath of life of the creatures and animals.
5th - were given to eat only the compatible fruits from the solid trees
the usage of the term 'first-fruit of ELiYouN'
(from the book of Job as originally written)
does not mean that a cherub angel was made to be generation of ELiYouN,
or a son of the Most High like Adam was.
When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of the Most High [the generation of Adam] saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
Then YHWH said, 'My Spirit will not contend to abide with the man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years'.
My Spirit --The Spirit that was in the generation of Adam,--
will not contend to abide with the man forever--.
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The book of Hebrews says clearly that the cherub angels were made to be angels, but the scribes of the false prophet(theology),
and the doctrines of faiths of the earth do have the habit of
choosing their version of Genesis that was copied according to the
fables they made to please their father of the beliefs,
which mixes a legion of truths and lies and says:
..'we' believes that the sons of god/elohim were fallen angels.. ..'we' sees clearly that angels are called the sons of god/elohim... 'we' is letting it be, 'we' is taking it as true, 'we' is giving spiritual credit to it...
..and all that 'we' needs is to believe..'

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Message 20 of 30 (469181)
06-04-2008 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by goldenlightArchangel
06-03-2008 3:47 PM


Re: distinction between punishment and price to be paid
CrazyDiamond,
They did not pay for more than the price of the choice that they made, not a punishment.
Look, you said:
According to the eternal Justice a child do not have to pay for a choice his-her parents made
The bible clearly does punish humanity for the crimes of the father with the fall. It doesn't get more "for the crimes of the father" than that! You haven't said a single thing that challenges this.
Mark

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Message 21 of 30 (469257)
06-04-2008 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by mark24
06-03-2008 4:54 AM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
quote:
But they did, the fall of man.
No, they did not. While there was a punishment for disobedience, the aspect of death was pre-ordained, before adam and eve emerged. This is proven by the command they should not eat from the fruit of knowledge - which they did eat and beget knowledge; but they did not/could not eat the fruit of life [immortality]. Here, the immortaility factor was pre-ordained, but the knowledge factor was not.
When the law emerged, we are clearly told, only the sinner pays; only the knowledgeable can sin; all are born sinless.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Message 22 of 30 (469258)
06-04-2008 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by goldenlightArchangel
06-03-2008 3:47 PM


Re: distinction between punishment and price to be paid
quote:
Although the Scribes have been writing the opposite, adulterating the copies of the manuscripts of Genesis,
This is not correct and is not based on any evidence. In fact, the evidence says:
The most undistorted writings in humanity's geo-history, is genesis. This is proven by the scrolls, which is upto 2300 years old and unchanged from today's hebrew bible. And this document is the most undistorted by period of time - which document is unchanged for 2300 years? So you cannot make your claim based on nothingness, and against the greatest proof humanity has at its disposal. In fact, genesis and the OT represents the world's first HISTORICAL [with soecific dates, names, places and events], advanced [aphabetical] book [multiple pages with a continueing narrative].
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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Message 23 of 30 (469259)
06-04-2008 8:47 PM
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06-03-2008 4:54 AM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
quote:
1/2. immediate - lef - Do the biblical dictionaries agree that the word 'elohim' was a common generic designation for deity in the middle east?
Do you agree that is an absolute proof of its athenticity of being contemporary? The same applies with the name 'EL' [Lord, Sir, Boss, High One, etc]; and circumsizion - this ritual predated Abraham and was the standard mode used for contracts and vows.
You will find, likewise, the OT does not say camels and tomatoes existed in ancient egypt - because this is not known as a fact: camels emerged in arabia much later. Its called vindicated authentic contemporary writings.
Also, the term 'dust' is not understood in this thread. This is an appropriate term to denote the base sub-atomic particles of the earthly elements, which all life contains. This says the OT was written for all generations of mankind. What better word can you nominate, which would be understoof by 3500 year mankind- and those of today?! Grammar was introduced in the OT.
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Message 24 of 30 (469346)
06-05-2008 7:02 AM
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06-04-2008 8:31 PM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
IamJoseph,
No, they did not. While there was a punishment for disobedience,
You contradicted yourself in the first sentence. It's not called the "fall of man" for nothing.
Mark
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Message 25 of 30 (469355)
06-05-2008 8:08 AM
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06-05-2008 7:02 AM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
No sir. The fall does not relate to the causation factor of death, but the disobediance of a command only; the crime of murder was also yet not mandated - the reason Cain was not terminated. This is also not the cause of man being born in sin, which is a later gospel doctrine, motivated by its own views. Man is born sinless; sins are not transferable; sin is only possible with full and wanton knowledge. Death and knowledge were pre-ordained; immortality [tree of life] was not: the eden story is not based on a physical realm - it becomes physical only after the casting down from paradise.
'ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINNETH IT SHALL PAY - THE SON SHALL NOT PAY FOR THE FATHER NOR THE MOTHER FOR THE DAUGHTER' [OT]
This is also accepted in all judiciary institutions.

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Message 26 of 30 (469361)
06-05-2008 8:55 AM
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06-05-2008 8:08 AM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
The fall does not relate to the causation factor of death
Never said it did.
Mark

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Message 27 of 30 (470305)
06-10-2008 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by IamJoseph
05-23-2008 8:01 AM


Love the enemies - What kind of love is this?
Immediate transcription:
And this is his instruction, That we should remain in the name of his first-fruit, Yhwh'shuah --I AM is the Salvation, and *love all persons, as he **gave us instruction.
**love your enemies; let the sun of FORGIVENESS shine upon everyone
*do not kill nor die in the name of a flag or of a country
*do not anihilate nor judge a human being in the name of the justice courts of the earth.
He that receives him is not lost: but he that does not receive him is already lost, because he has not received the name of him --Yhwh-- that abides in the name of the only begotten first-fruit of Eliyoun (Most High).
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Scripture says to not trust in men spiritually,
which means do not pay reverence, examine well, the spiritual things that had been made, translated or transcribed by the spirit of man,
the spiritual things made by the spirit of man includes every translation of Scripture because the word is spiritual.
For Yhwh has given him--her the gift of understanding (discernment) through which he--she can freely ascertain on the knowledge of the truth.

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Message 28 of 30 (470357)
06-10-2008 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by mark24
06-05-2008 8:55 AM


Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?
I may be wrong, but I saw the doctrine of born in sin referring to the fall of adam and eve.

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Message 29 of 30 (470361)
06-10-2008 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by goldenlightArchangel
06-10-2008 3:51 PM


Re: Love the enemies - What kind of love is this?
quote:
And this is his instruction, That we should remain in the name of his first-fruit, Yhwh'shuah --I AM is the Salvation, and *love all persons, as he **gave us instruction.
Politics and racism - a doctrine which can be, and was, used to persecute. This was seen when Isabela of spain massercered many, with the premise of 'better to destroy their bodies and save their souls', and with Pope Pious who forbid the return of the jews to their land - a declaration of genocide. The law rules, not a name, and christians will be judged only how they act with Israel. You cannot choose your own premises and boast about only what suits you. The OT declares the most formidable 'AND' here: 'I SHALL JUDGE ISRAEL - *AND* - THE NATIONS'. And this has naught to do with the NT - it preceded and anticipated you.
quote:
**love your enemies; let the sun of FORGIVENESS shine upon everyone
Let this doctrine be judged how others were treated - first learn to 'love the starnger' [OT] - then try for love your enemies'
quote:
*do not kill nor die in the name of a flag or of a country
*do not anihilate nor judge a human being in the name of the justice courts of the earth.
There is nothing wrong in love of country - a natural human trait. Better, do not rob another's land and deem it yours. Christians who do not act as honest historical witness of another peoples' land - should not fantasize they will get 70 virgins and a free bonus salvation.
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but he that does not receive him is already lost, because he has not received the name of him --Yhwh-- that abides in the name of the only begotten first-fruit of Eliyoun (Most High).
Kbnock, knock! Let the Most High speak for himself. Otherwise go and worship Mohammed before deciding the destiny for muslims, hindus, budhists, jews and atheists. The NT wants to act as judge, jury and executioner - but the Judge has not appeared. A judge must be arm's length and non-biased, cannot speak anything but the truth, with no omissions of any side's crimes and falsehoods. A true judge does not judge on the basis of which VIP club one joins. The law rules.

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Message 30 of 30 (476413)
07-23-2008 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by IamJoseph
06-10-2008 8:38 PM


Re: Love the enemies - What kind of love is this?
IamJoseph,
the term 'is already condemned' is from a Catholic version,
in a scripture that says 'he that does not receive him is already lost', which gives the understanding of 'can't be more lost than that',
the term 'already' should read 'still':
A paraphrase that translates 'he that does not receive [Yhwh] is still lost' seems to be the original text.

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