D&D and satanisim

Imagine my suprise when (after playing for many years) I discoverd that D&D had real magic and real covens in it.I've been a DM (the one who tells the story) for about 20 years and I've never had a sniff of real magic (at least not hocus pokus magic anyway) .Although there are some rule books that deal with demons (T'anari) and devils (Baatzu), the're still none more real that the ones some fundies believe in.So you have to think if one believes demons in the one book of fiction are real it's no stretch of the imagination to believe demons in another book of fiction are real.

Say that they aren't real Christians. That's a game that they do understand.

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If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey.
Haven't you always wanted a monkey?
-- The Barenaked Ladies

Unfortunately they used to have more "demonic" names - and they changed them at least partially because of the pressure from the Christian nutters who complained.For Herr Goku, here is a report about a study that proved that RPG games are dangerous. After all:

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A 15-year old girl was reportedly raped in Angleton, Texas by Armando Simon, 33, a prison psychologist counseling inmates for sexual crimes. According to court testimony, the girl was enticed into sex through an extended D&D game in which she was given the role of “someone who would lose her powers after doing something wrong.” Simon played a character constantly interested in women and his wife would often play a lesbian. The wife encouraged the sex by showing the girl photos of Simon naked with other women. She told the girl, “He always wanted a virgin as a gift.” The psychologist and the girl first had sex after returning from a D&D convention in Houston (Houston Chronicle, 8 May 85)

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So, sinners, step away from the D20.

Yeah, that's where t'anari and baatzu replace demon and devil. What they leave out is that they both had been drinking water and breathing air and most daming of all they both had opposable thumbs.I confidently expect a fundy campaign against thumbs .

Oh definitely. However I only thought they were conservative protestants with strong family values, with an opposition to trends related to the relaxing of sexual taboos. I didn't think they were anti-boardgames as well. To be honest thinking a boardgame is evil is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. All of them? I can possibly understand them thinking games like GTA might do this, even though evidence indicates otherwise, but surely they don't think the same about Half Life 2 for example. I have no words for this. It is simply too bizarre for me to comprehend.

Coming from a physicist, that is a chilling indictment!

That's not un-true, but its not just that. I wouldn't call them anti-boardgame, they are against any game that they can spin into and "evil" one. Well, Christian Fundamentalists are ridiculous. No, just the bad ones. Yeah... Says the father to the son: "You know, son, if you kill that hooker, you can get your money back."

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What parents should take into consideration when deciding if this game is appropriate for their child:

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- The Half-Life 2 games are very violent and very bloody. Blood sprays on the walls when an enemy is shot. There are also times when the player will encounter dead bodies covered in blood. There is also a weapon called a gravity gun that allows the player to magnetically draw an object in and then hurl it outwards. One such object that can be used with the gravity gun is a giant saw blade. When the saw blade is hurled at an enemy, the enemy is sliced in half.

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- There is some bad language in the Half-Life 2 games. Most of the words are words that you would hear on television (such as hell and damn). The word s**t is used a couple of times and God's name is used inappropriately at times.

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It is because of the violence and blood in Half-Life 2 that I cannot recommend The Orange Box for children. Most of the games on The Orange Box are rated M and I would agree that these games are best left for a mature audience.source

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Here is a link to one rating system. Dude... some of these US christians are CRAZY!

Please, watch "Jesus Camp." You can rent it, and it's also been posted to YouTube.It's an eye-opener.

My DM has 5 adventure paths that are 3.5 that he wants to run us through. Since we meet once ever two weeks, he figures he has enough
material to keep us busy with 3.5 for the next 15 years.At that time, he'll be 75, and who knows what the state of the game will be then (or the state any of will be in, I am not a spring chicken myself).I do know that the cat is out of the bag with the OGL for 3.5, and the way that wizards is playing the 4.0 bag, I just don't want to keep on giving them my hard earned money.They plan on making 'expansion books' ever year as part of the core rule book set. I'll stay 3.5.

All that evil is is the absence of God. Imagination is freely chosen, but every decision we make involves a communion of sorts. We either commune with our inner conscience or we commune with the imagination of an author, a script, a movie, or a game. At least thats how I see it, anyway.

All what evil? That is what I do not understand about the claims of D&D being evil. I played it quite a bit in my youth, and had to defend it against my father. He learned in church how bad it was for me and condemned it. His basis was not on experience, or even testimony of people who had played it, but simply baseless claims. I challenged him to actually try it, and directed him to a friend of his that played the game. I never learned the results of his experience because he never again bothered me about my harmless social gatherings.What exactly is evil about the game? Is nintendo also evil? Baseball? Reading? How about mathematics? The mere fact that the game does not promote religion does not seem like a valid reason to consider it evil. How about gardening or painting the fence?

Vacate (above) has posted experiences about his father condemning the game and cavediver has written about camp organisers giving out about the game. Also Catholic Scientist has linked to people who think half life 2 is suitable for only a mature audience. I genuinely feel sorry for anybody who must grow up an environment where people have concerns about these things, because anybody who seriously thinks D&D or computer games are evil doesn't live in the real world. I honestly can't express in words how strange I find this. I mean, do these people ever stop and think "Wait a minute it's just a board game, with dice and stuff". I just get an image of parents running into a room and throwing "snakes and ladders" out the window, in case their children pick up loose morals from the nefarious snakes.As for the Harry Potter being evil thing, I still don't actually understand the argument. Here is my understanding so far:1.Child reads about Harry and co.'s amusing and frightful adventures in Hogwarts.
2.As the books develop a plot emerges that children and many adults find enthralling.
3.Child finishes this book of magic and British school humour.
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5.Complete moral degradation of child.Edited by Son Goku, : More accurate about opinions on half-life 2.Edited by Son Goku, : Better paragraph structure.

What exactly is it you are saying here?That any thing that does not include your god is evil?

I believe that Phat's comment would be better understood without the word "that."From

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All that evil is is the absence of God.

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All evil is....is the absence of God.

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He isn't saying the games are evil, he is merely describing evil itselt.

Ya, I know that.But he is saying that the abscence of his god [in things] is evil.So when I think of something that does not include his god[e.g. my old EverQuest character], then that is evil.