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Trump won 
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Message 76 of 127 (49242)
08-07-2003 5:55 PM
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08-07-2003 5:49 PM


thanks
thanks
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"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis
contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

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nator
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Message 77 of 127 (49275)
08-07-2003 7:44 PM
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08-07-2003 1:46 AM


Re: ...
First, please find at the bottom of every message a little symbol of a piece of paper with the word "reply" next to it. If you click on it when you reply to a specific message, it will indicate which message you are replying to, and thus reduce confusion. Thanks.
quote:
"Crazy Dr. Dino" seems logical to me. I'll get back to you with that reply you made.
He's a liar.
He makes stuff up.
He fabricates information.
He says the most ridiculous, far-fetched silliness that flies in the face of so much reasearch, one can only conclude he is a deluded, crazy crank with little concern for the truth.
He bought his PhD from a diploma mill. A diploma mill, in case you don't know, is a place where crackpots and others who want the prestige and authority of a title go to get one without having to bother with the expense and hard work required to get a real degree.
Read this for an eye-full about some things you may not know about Kent Hovind and his views:
Kent Hovind FAQs: Examining "Dr. Dino"
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John
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Message 78 of 127 (49360)
08-08-2003 11:17 AM
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08-07-2003 12:25 AM


Re: one more thing....
quote:
There is no perfect way to run this site but my only suggestion on how to make it fair... is to resign your position as owner and runner of this sight and give your position to a neutral person who possibly doesnt care how the world came about.
You might want to consider that some of us may not care a priori how the world came about, but simply follow the evidence to a conclusion.
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Buzsaw
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Message 79 of 127 (49377)
08-08-2003 11:57 AM
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08-07-2003 1:08 AM


Re: ha...
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Oh, no, not another supporter of crazy Dr. Dino.
You do know that he has a bogus degree from the so-called "Patriot University" which operates out of a split level, don't you?
..........And did you know that home schoolers achieve higher average sat scores than sophisticated expensively equipped and renouned public schools?
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Message 80 of 127 (49382)
08-08-2003 12:50 PM
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08-07-2003 7:44 PM


Re: ...
quote:
Kent Hovind FAQs: Examining "Dr. Dino"
A review of this link gives rise to the notion that creationists, in order to get an alternative education to the one sided extremely biased exclusiveistic evolution mills of accredited institutions, one must either learn at home or resort to unaccredited sources such as some cited in the link. But, like home schools, some of these may actually provide a broader and more educated education than the accredited institutions.

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crashfrog
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Message 81 of 127 (49417)
08-08-2003 2:42 PM
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08-08-2003 12:50 PM


Re: ...
A review of this link gives rise to the notion that creationists, in order to get an alternative education to the one sided extremely biased exclusiveistic evolution mills of accredited institutions, one must either learn at home or resort to unaccredited sources such as some cited in the link.
My wife has a full undergraduate biology degree, and I think evolution constituted a single class. The rest of it was copious lab and field work - the meat and potatoes of biology.
How can you get that by mail, or at home, or by attending anything but a school with a well-funded biology program? Without lab time you're just looking at picture-books.
Plenty of atheists go to religious schools, like mine. Somehow we turn out atheists at the end, too. If creationists want respectability they're going to have to get their biology degrees at "evolutionary" schools and bite the bullet. At the very least you think they'd relish the opportunity to challenge some beliefs...

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Trump won 
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Message 82 of 127 (49420)
08-08-2003 2:45 PM
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08-08-2003 2:42 PM


Re: ...
I do thats why I love public school.
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"I believe in christianity as I believe the sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else."-C.S. Lewis
contact me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

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mark24
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Message 83 of 127 (49422)
08-08-2003 2:49 PM
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08-08-2003 2:42 PM


Re: ...
Crash,
Most Evolutionary Theory degree units in Britain tend to be year 3, not sure about the rest of the world. One I looked at required a full Bsc before you could even take the course (& it wasn't an Msc).
Birkbeck, University of London
Mark
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Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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Wounded King
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Message 84 of 127 (49671)
08-09-2003 7:46 PM
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08-08-2003 12:50 PM


Re: yeah.
Any evidence for that assertion Buz?

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Coragyps
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Message 85 of 127 (49673)
08-09-2003 8:03 PM
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08-08-2003 12:50 PM


Re: ...
some of these may actually provide a broader and more educated education than the accredited institutions.
Didn't work that way for DrDino, though, huh?

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nator
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Message 86 of 127 (49698)
08-10-2003 12:43 AM
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08-08-2003 11:57 AM


Re: ha...
quote:
..........And did you know that home schoolers achieve higher average sat scores than sophisticated expensively equipped and renouned public schools?
*sigh*
This has got to be one of the most outrageous and painfully uninformed things you have said to date.
Buz, we are talking about a Doctoral degree.
A PhD.
A PhD is a very advanced degree that very few college graduates ever manage to acheive. It usually takes about 5 years of constant research, writing, teaching, and analysis, with the first 3 or so also requiring many hours of intensive, specialized and advanced coursework taught by experts in the field.
A child who is home schooled is being taught arithmatic, spelling, history and the like. Very basic literacy-type stuff. Not highly specialized, "becoming a highly trained expert in a particular field" type stuff.
Patriot University is not a "home school for adults seeking a high-quality Doctoral education".
It is a diploma mill where people who want to buy a degree without study, expense, or effort go to get it.
What, do you think that Kent Hovind's parents home schooled him so long that he earned a PhD or something? Besides, home schooled children still have to demonstrate the same mastery of subjects as all of the public school children if they want to graduate.
In other words, the home schooled kids are still held to the requirements of an accredited public school.
By contrast, Patriot University is not required to educate any of it's students in any partuclar way or maintain any particular standard of quality, because it is not an accredited educational institution.
Buz, the same way you would scoff at a person who calls themselves a minister because they sent away to the Church of Funk and Groove that they saw in the back of Rolling Stone magazine and became a "man of the cloth", we don't put much stock in someone who bought a meaningless PhD from a non-accredited "university".
BTW, would you want your personal Physician to have gotten his/her degrees from Patriot University?
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nator
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Message 87 of 127 (49699)
08-10-2003 12:47 AM
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08-08-2003 12:50 PM


Re: ...
quote:
But, like home schools, some of these may actually provide a broader and more educated education than the accredited institutions.
My husband is in the last year or so of his Doctoral work in Cognitive Psychology.
His current research uses functional MRI imaging and he uses the MRI machine that is is the MR center, run by the University and used exlusively for research (not medical diagnoses, etc.).
Each time he runs a subject through the MRI machine to gather data, it costs $1000.
How is a "home school" Doctoral Program going to support this kind of research?

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Wounded King
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Message 88 of 127 (49885)
08-11-2003 6:04 AM
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08-10-2003 12:47 AM


MRI is soo last century. Why isn't he doing PET?

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Message 89 of 127 (49897)
08-11-2003 8:23 AM
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08-07-2003 4:24 PM


Re: crash, paul
...the bible, in genesis, it clearly says "day", I cant see how anyone can reinterpret that as being "billions of years".
Actually, MessanjaH, that's incorrect. The hebrew word used in the bible does not exactly translate to 'day'. 'Day' is one of it's possible meanings, it can also mean an 'unspecified' length of time. In a similar way to how in english one might say 'in my father's day' meaning the years during which one's father was a youngman, or an more elderly gent might refer to 'in my day'.

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nator
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Message 90 of 127 (49904)
08-11-2003 9:01 AM
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08-11-2003 6:04 AM


quote:
MRI is soo last century. Why isn't he doing PET?
LOL!
Actually, he hates MRI work.
He'd much rather do simpler experiments that involve a dark room, a computer screen, and a button to measure reaction times.
They tell you the same things about visual perception but every university wants their candidates for faculty to have experience with the big fancy toys.

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