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ThinkGod247
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Message 76 of 107 (477319)
08-01-2008 5:27 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Brian
07-30-2008 11:13 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
LoL, thanks for your reply brian.
"65 million years before humans appeared."
well i'm afraid to ask what dating methods your using to come up with these numbers. Because the old earth theory is just that only a theory no reliable dating methods can measure that far back.
"The majority of everything wwould have been killed according to the Noah myth."
I believe i covered that when i said that what did survive through noah's ark. because the only dinosausrs that survived were in noah's ark
"I wasn't aware that the Bible said that the metal dome that covered the flat Earth fell, where does the Bible say that?"
Before the flood there was a green house effect making perfect weather because of the firmament and god covered the firmament in chapter 1 of the first book of the bible so we wouldn't get confused but we did anyway.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which [were] under the firmament from the waters which [were] above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
And then after he told us of the firmament he also told us that:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, lol that would be you brian...lol jk
and that they would denie reason in the sense of the flood
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
"Why did dino's die out after the Flood but other animals survived?"
So last but certainly not least the dinosaurs that did survive in noahs ark died because before the flood: The firmament provided
The blocking of uv rays
pure oxygen for air ( this is also why men lived to be 900 years old)
most large dinosaurs had small nasal cavities and the recent allowance of uv rays caused their bodies to need more air to operate than normal and without the pure air they could not get enough air throughout their very large bodies and eventually died
Some that did not have this problem were hunted down and killed for meat because god told Noah after the flood that every living creature was his for meat
Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth [upon] the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
so after the flood they were all fare game. The word dinosaur was not invented til 1841 before this time they were called dragons....is it a coincidence that almost every culture has a background of their golden knights tracking down and killing these dragons or dinosaurs and also almost every culture has a history of a great flood.
I think not search your heart and look into nature and see the designer.
man i really love the bible 66 books over 40 authors over 1600 years written on 3 different continents and still able to 100% accurate...

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

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bluescat48
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Message 77 of 107 (477323)
08-01-2008 6:16 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
well i'm afraid to ask what dating methods your using to come up with these numbers. Because the old earth theory is just that only a theory no reliable dating methods can measure that far back.
Well at least it's a theory your 66 books have are nothing more than belief.

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Coragyps
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Message 78 of 107 (477325)
08-01-2008 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
pure oxygen for air ( this is also why men lived to be 900 years old)
You are either trolling, or you actually have bought into the nonsense Brother Hovind distributed before he was rightly sent to the pen!
Are you aware that babies have been blinded by a couple of hours' exposure to pure oxygen in an incubator? Have you ever seen how fast wood burns in pure oxygen? Have you ever heard of the Apollo 1 astronauts?
Most of your posts so far are composed of what are called PRATTs - points refuted a thousand times. You won't make much mileage here with them - but if you stay a little while, you'll learn a lot.

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Brian
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Message 79 of 107 (477354)
08-01-2008 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
Don't think I have seen so many PRATTs in one post for a while, well done!
Anyway, let's take one point at a time.
well i'm afraid to ask what dating methods your using to come up with these numbers. Because the old earth theory is just that only a theory no reliable dating methods can measure that far back.
Which dating methods do scientists use that you have concerns about.
You also say that no reliable dating methods can date that far back, so how far back can reliable dating methods go and what are these methods?
Once you have answerd this we can move on.
Thanks.

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Coyote
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Message 80 of 107 (477366)
08-01-2008 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
You spent a lot of your post giving minute details of the flood and its circumstances.
Unfortunately, you are missing the big picture. There was no global flood about 4,350 years ago. There is a huge body of evidence that contradicts the idea of a global flood, but no reliable scientific evidence at all supporting that idea.
In other words, its a myth.
What you are doing is the equivalent of explaining in minute detail how the Easter Bunny lays and then delivers millions of colored eggs and chocolate bunnies each spring.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 81 of 107 (477372)
08-01-2008 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
pure oxygen for air
This is not possible. The earth's atmosphere is currently 20-22% oxygen, which is just right. If the earth were 100% oxygen, the entire world would have gone up in flames in a single spark.
The oxygen level could have been higher in the past, but not pure oxygen.

“Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito"

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rueh
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Message 82 of 107 (477373)
08-01-2008 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
makes me wonder. Why did the carnivourous dinosaurs have teeth specifacly designed for eating flesh. Did these teeth only develop after the flood? Since they clearly had no purpose before hand. And if so is this evidence of macroevolution?

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Blue Jay
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Message 83 of 107 (477377)
08-01-2008 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 4:25 AM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
Hi, Think. Welcome to EvC.
There are a lot of people responding to your posts, so I don't want to lay it on too thick. But, the subject of the Flood has been discussed at length on many threads here at EvC. In fact, there's an entire forum for discussing the Flood and other geology topics. Peruse the topics there to get an idea of what sort of angles we'll take in debate against the Flood.
This thread, in particular, gives a lot of logistical and mathematical criticism of the Flood. It would be a good place for you to start to acquaint yourself with the views of scientists on, and the evidence against, the Flood.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 84 of 107 (477391)
08-01-2008 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ThinkGod247
08-01-2008 5:27 AM


As you seem to be new here, perhaps I should explain that just saying stuff doesn't magically make it true or even credible. At some point, you are going to need to back up your statements with some sort of argument.
As they are incorrect, this is where you're going to come unstuck.

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IchiBan
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Message 85 of 107 (477392)
08-01-2008 7:45 PM
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08-01-2008 3:08 PM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
The following quote, Is this what you are going to be about?
This forum is pathetic.
"What you are doing is the equivalent of explaining in minute detail how the Easter Bunny lays and then delivers millions of colored eggs and chocolate bunnies each spring"

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Rahvin
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Message 86 of 107 (477395)
08-01-2008 8:10 PM
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08-01-2008 7:45 PM


Re: Humans scared of Dinosaurs before the flood?
The following quote, Is this what you are going to be about?
This forum is pathetic.
"What you are doing is the equivalent of explaining in minute detail how the Easter Bunny lays and then delivers millions of colored eggs and chocolate bunnies each spring"
Are you going to describe how you think Coyote was wrong to compare the Biblical Flood with silly mythology? Or was your intention actually to post content-free whining?
Here's a clue: if you don't have anything to add to a discussion, meaning evidence, assertion, or rebuttal, don't bother posting.

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Coyote
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Message 87 of 107 (477396)
08-01-2008 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by IchiBan
08-01-2008 7:45 PM


Re: Global flood myth
This forum is pathetic.
What you are doing is the equivalent of explaining in minute detail how the Easter Bunny lays and then delivers millions of colored eggs and chocolate bunnies each spring
I take it that you disagree with my comment. Unfortunately, you did not specify how you disagree.
But just in case you need additional data, here are two points in which you may be interested:
1) I have been doing archaeology in the western US for decades. If there was a global flood 4,350 years ago, we would expect to see evidence in the approximately 4,350 year old soils. We should see a major discontinuity followed by sedimentary soils. We do not see this. But as a check to see whether our method is correct, we do see evidence of post-glacial floods in southern and eastern Washington. Google "Channeled Scablands" for details. These smaller floods were created by ice dams in the area of the Idaho panhandle, and they dammed glacial meltwater east as far as Missoula, Montana. We can date these floods, and determine their extents. All of this evidence would have been wiped out by a far larger flood at a third the age. Further, if we can see the remains of the older floods, and study their extents, our methods for tracking floods archaeologically are adequate.
2. A small cave in southern Alaska produced human remains dated to 10,300 years ago. Through mtDNA analysis, over 40 living individuals were found with the same mtDNA lineage stretching from California to the tip of South America. This suggests an early coastal migration and a complete lack of replacement of early mtDNA by mtDNA associated with Noah's kin.
Both of these lines of evidence show that there was no global flood about 4,350 years ago.
Perhaps you should check your a priori beliefs, as it is entirely possible that some of them are wrong.
If that makes us "pathetic" so be it. Perhaps you would be more comfortable in whatever YECho chamber you have frequented in the past, as apparently you are not accustomed to having your beliefs questioned.
Edited by Coyote, : Spelling

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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anglagard
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Message 88 of 107 (477399)
08-01-2008 9:00 PM
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08-01-2008 8:28 PM


Re: Global flood myth
Coyote writes:
Both of these lines of evidence show that there was no global flood about 4,350 years ago.
Well let's not forget the other 99 categories Message 7
ABE - "Ain't I awful" - Bugs Bunny
Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.
Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
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Coyote
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Message 89 of 107 (477401)
08-01-2008 9:08 PM
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08-01-2008 9:00 PM


Re: Global flood myth
Coyote writes:
Both of these lines of evidence show that there was no global flood about 4,350 years ago.
Well let's not forget the other 99 categories Message 7
I wasn't trying to slight the other 99 categories in my post. Far from it.
I was limiting the evidence to things I had actually participated in (I did not help with the 10,300 year old mtDNA, but I did conduct a similar, but younger, study. It was still significantly older than the 4,350 year date attributed to the global flood.)
This way there would not be a convenient canned answer to my evidence over on Answers in Genesis or one of those other creationist sites. Might encourage some independent thinking, eh?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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anglagard
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Message 90 of 107 (477412)
08-01-2008 9:59 PM
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08-01-2008 9:08 PM


Re: Global flood myth
Coyote writes:
I wasn't trying to slight the other 99 categories in my post. Far from it.
I should have used the winky guy.
I was limiting the evidence to things I had actually participated in (I did not help with the 10,300 year old mtDNA, but I did conduct a similar, but younger, study. It was still significantly older than the 4,350 year date attributed to the global flood.)
That's why you deserve full credit for #61 (order independent of quality).
This way there would not be a convenient canned answer to my evidence over on Answers in Genesis or one of those other creationist sites. Might encourage some independent thinking, eh?
Good point.
Well before I get to far astray from the OP, I just want to state that despite what Ken Ham may believe, it is obvious due to an almost infinite amount of reasons that his interpretation of the Bible has been corrupted by watching the Flintstones in his youth. It is unfortunate that a minority in the US share this confusion unlike the 99.85% of people actually working in the field.
I would imagine this figure approaches 100% in the rest of the world where there is little or no money to be made from making a mockery (in the matter of human/T-Rex coexistence) of both religion and poorly drawn cartoons.
Edited by anglagard, : well people do make money from mocking religion, but the dinosaur thing is usually just too easy outside of the US

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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