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Yep. They cry. You know, I wonder if you've even gone through puberty. Because if you have, and you're saying men don't go through mood swings, you're an idiot.------------------
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Hi, Apparently Wise has been happily married for over 25 years, now there is one woman with many reasons to have a good cry!Brian

You MAY have a point IF you are referring to Crashfrog.Wise

I know that that's a common misconception. You won't find such a view presented in any modern psychology textbook, so I suspect you're recounting it from some half-forgotten source. When are you going to realize, Wise, that your half-forgotten untruths don't even begin to qualify as facts? Is this how you witness for your God? Sexist lies and stupid paintings? How do you think God feels when you lie for him? That's fine. I'm an accomplished fencer with training in at least 6 different styles of sword use. And unlike you, I'm still in my prime. Your defeat is certain no matter what weapon you choose. The amount you apparently don't know about women would fill volumes of the encyclopedia. I may be half your age, but I'm sure I've known twice as many women. Ever hear of erectile dysfunction? I bet you suffer from it.

I'm the opposite of a modern man. I'm a post-modern man.Why don't you ask my wife how "feminized" she thinks I am. ("Not very" would be her answer, and then she'd proceed to complain about how I rarely clean the bathroom.) "Other such professions" (clearly you mean "nurturing professions") obviously including priests, of course. As their function is largely to teach and nurture.

It is not psychology. It is biology and it IS FACTUAL.sometime during conception in the male the male hormone testosterone actually severs the right side of the brain from the left. This is not to state that the left side of the brain becomes dysfunctional but it actully DOES shrink.On the other hand women maintain full use of both sides of the brain due to estrogen. This in turn gives them superiour VERBAL abilities. On the other hand the man, actually develops the right side of his brain quite highly giving him superiour spatial abilities. In other words a man has the ability to rotate an object in his thoughts in 3 dimensions. To prove my point I suggest a small test:Consider closing your eyes and picturing a teacup in space spinning. NOW as it spins begin to ROLL it. You can picture it spinning and rolling at the same time. Now begin to turn it sideways adding the third dimension seeing it rolling tuimbling and turning in space. A man can do this quite easily but a woman cannot. Try this on a women and all she can see is it spinning. Try adding a second and third dimension and they CANNOT do it but will wind up calling it stupid.Go ahead, test it.This is what gives a man architectural abilities, engineering abilities and inventiveness. I believe you will find MOST inventions are from the male. Men are also better at giving directions and maps. Now this is not to cut down the female but is purely factual.Is Johns Hopkins University a "half forgotten" source? It is one of the most respected Universities in the Medical fields. They described "striking" differences in the male female brain.You see...I AM at the CUTTING EDGENow AS to the Female...Yes, a very beautiful creature.....She has superiour INTUITIVENESS. In other words she can sense danger LONG before a man can. Is this a sexist remark? Hardly. Men would be far better listening to their wives from time to time when it comes to many different issues. This is due to the simoltaneous usage of BOTH sides of the brain AT THE SAME TIME.Knowing these things ALONE could prevent probably 75% of divorces."He made them male and female"God knew it Looooooooongggg before man did.You see............I grew up with ROMPER ROOM and YOU didn'tROMPER ROOM: You can fool some of the people ALL of the time and ALL of the people SOME of the time BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL MOM !!Now, it MIGHT be beneficial to you IF you gaze into the MAGIC mirror: I see Crashfrog, and John, and Mr. Moose, and Winky and ALL of you kids out there!Wise[This message has been edited by Wise, 09-28-2003][This message has been edited by Wise, 09-28-2003]

Wrong again, Wise. None of this happens. It's not biology, and it's not factual. Again, your half-remembered untruths are not facts.There's no difference in size between the hemispheres of a man's brain, and they're connected in the same way a woman's is - through a trunk of nerves called the "corpus callosum". Yes, I'm sure they did. But they didn't say that testosterone severs half of the brain. No, of course not. What is sexist is saying "the administrators are picking on me, so they must be women with PMS."If you can't see that that's sexist, then you're truly an idiot.

Since we are not on subject anyway I thought I might do a rebuttal to Wise.I beg to differ wise but you are way off the mark since,as you can PLAINLY see by my avatar,that the universe began as an egg. You can clearly make out the yolk in the center.Only fools that imagine they see things that are not really there could believe that this picture shows otherwise.It doesn't matter what you try to say SINCE I HAVE THE FACTS ON MY SIDE.Case closed.[This message has been edited by sidelined, 09-28-2003]

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My dear, it is called testosterone and estrogen.

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Ever hear of them?

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Yes.Getting back on topic...You had originally said that women have mood swings, and your stated reason for your denial that men had mood swings was that men didn't cry.I explained that just because men didn't cry didn't mean that they didn't have mood swings, but that the moods expressed themselves differently in men.Do you agree that men have mood swings, then, since you are trying to derail the topic?

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Crashfrog is a "modern" man that has been feminized. He does NOT understand the differences.

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That is quite in opposition to the character of Crashfrog as I have grown to know him.

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Women actually have GREATER verbal abilities due to the use of both sides of the brain at the same time. Men on the other hand have greater SPATIAL abilities than women.FACT.

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It is true that women and men are different in these ways, but not as different as you are making it sound. There are tendencies, but nothing is black and white.There is a small difference between men and women on average, but a large amount of variability within each group.What that means is that there is a greater difference in spatial abilities among all men than between the average woman and the average man.Your non-tentative language pegs you as a non-scientifically thinking person.

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Women make great teachers and nurses and other such professions.

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...and anything else they are good at and enjoy, such as architects and inventors and electricians and doctors and engineers and mathematicians and scientists, etc.

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Men are invetive and can "hit the target" so to speak and make great architects, inventors and other such professions.

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...and anything else they are good at and enjoy, like nurses and teachers and cooks and tailors and secretaries, etc.

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Now that is NOT TO SAY that either or cannot be reversed BUT it tends to be the "rule".

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You are ignoring the vast amount of evidence which points to sex discrimination in keeping people of certain genders out of certain jobs, or advancement in certain fields not because of lack of ability but because of gender.You are also ignoring the cultural pressures to fit in that we are all ingrained with from birth.In Russia, male ballet dancers are national heroes, so you get lots of little boys wanting to be ballet dancers and parents encourage little boys to become ballet dancers.In the US, however, male ballet dancers are seen as unmanly and probably gay, so there is a lot of social stigma against boys taking ballet classes.[This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-29-2003]

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Look..it is an ASSERTION backed up by Biblical passages that SUPPORT the ASSERTION.

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What is your non-Biblical evidence?

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It is not psychology. It is biology and it IS FACTUAL.

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It's Cognitive Neuroscience, to be specific.

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sometime during conception

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During conception?I think you mean "gestation".A fertilized egg doesn't have a brain.

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in the male the male hormone testosterone actually severs the right side of the brain from the left.

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This is 100% false.

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This is not to state that the left side of the brain becomes dysfunctional but it actully DOES shrink.

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Also 100% false.In humans, there is actually a small tendency for the left side of the brain to be larger, not smaller.Where are you pulling this crap from?

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On the other hand women maintain full use of both sides of the brain due to estrogen.

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No, both males and females maintain full use of both sides of the brain.

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This in turn gives them superiour VERBAL abilities. On the other hand the man, actually develops the right side of his brain quite highly giving him superiour spatial abilities.

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I repeat, where on Earth are go getting this silliness?

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In other words a man has the ability to rotate an object in his thoughts in 3 dimensions. To prove my point I suggest a small test:

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Consider closing your eyes and picturing a teacup in space spinning. NOW as it spins begin to ROLL it. You can picture it spinning and rolling at the same time. Now begin to turn it sideways adding the third dimension seeing it rolling tuimbling and turning in space. A man can do this quite easily but a woman cannot. Try this on a women and all she can see is it spinning. Try adding a second and third dimension and they CANNOT do it but will wind up calling it stupid.

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Go ahead, test it.

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First of all, this is a not a test of anything.There is no way to tell what another person is imagining in their minds, so there is no way of telling what they are doing.You could think you are doing it but with no outside obsevation to confirm it, you could just as easily be thinking you are when you aren't.There are mental rotation tests, however, that involve looking at computer screens and matching rotated figures. This is an actual test of mental rotation."It is essential to remember that sex differences in higher mental functions are typically on the order of one fourth of a standard deviation."(p. 156, Springer & Deutsch, 1998)What this basically means is that there is far, far more overlap in abilities between women and men than there are differences in abilities.

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This is what gives a man architectural abilities, engineering abilities and inventiveness. I believe you will find MOST inventions are from the male. Men are also better at giving directions and maps. Now this is not to cut down the female but is purely factual.

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Again, you are ignoring the cultural influences which have made certain tasks "feminine" and others "masculine".

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Is Johns Hopkins University a "half forgotten" source? It is one of the most respected Universities in the Medical fields. They described "striking" differences in the male female brain.

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Please give the specific source.

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She has superiour INTUITIVENESS. In other words she can sense danger LONG before a man can. Is this a sexist remark? Hardly. Men would be far better listening to their wives from time to time when it comes to many different issues. This is due to the simoltaneous usage of BOTH sides of the brain AT THE SAME TIME.

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Careful, you never know what he'll post pictures of next...

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Careful, you never know what he'll post pictures of next...

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I used to run horse farms.I've seen plenty of dookie as to be unmoved by it....so to speak.

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sometime during conception in the male the male hormone testosterone actually severs the right side of the brain from the left. This is not to state that the left side of the brain becomes dysfunctional but it actully DOES shrink.

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As someone who works in a laboratory with pictures of sliced brains all over the walls in the main lab (hint, hint!), there is a statistical proportional difference in the size of the corpus callosum between males and females. So? It is completely irresponsible to go around interpretting sizes of components of the brain as being indicative of anything except for size without having a study to correlate behavior tied to it. Neanderthals had larger brains than us - does that mean that they're more intelligent? Of course not. You might as well start making claims about phrenology if you're going by size.Yes, there are differences in male and female behavior, and differences in the male and female brain. While the biggest differences are related to hormonal and regulatory effects, there also are some significant differences in activation levels and patterns. The causes and overall effects for each part being studied, however, are still largely up to debate, and it is an interesting field - I can go into specifics if you would like.A classic example of the differences and how hard they are to understand is the hypothalamus, which regulates things related reproduction. There are major differences in the male and female hypothalamus - it's about 2.2 times larger for a male. The differentiation seems to only occur after about age 4. Why? Who knows. What is the significance of the size difference? Who knows. And yet, there are significant statistics tying it to all sorts of things. People with different sexualities have different sizes. There's even been a study which showed that several male-to-female transsexuals had female-sized hypothalamuses. But, again, what does this mean? For all we know, in this latter study, it could merely be due to the fact that they had been on estrogens that had changed the size. Or, it could be something that they were born with. Noone could say. There just isn't enough data at this point.I strongly caution you against unwise reading into sizes and shapes of parts of the brain without statistical correlations to back it up.------------------
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Rei's message 90 is a testiment that even "Wise" can trigger an interesting conversation - too bad it is now located in very much the wrong topic. Perhaps this line of thought should be brought to its own topic (please, NOT in the "Free For All" forum).Once again, in strongly encourage all to start new "FFA" topics only if there is a substantial reason for it to be there. I think there should actually be very few topic in the "FFA".Perhaps we need to start a "Unique Perspectives" forum for the likes of Syamsu, Peter Borger, Salty, and (maybe even) "Wise".Adminnemooseus