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mike the wiz
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Message 166 of 222 (130491)
08-04-2004 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Cold Foreign Object
08-04-2004 8:57 PM


Re: You know WILLOWTREE...
Hi Willow
Forgive my rant Willowtree. It is unjustified and I admitt it.
But I do seek and desire to know why this certain group has been pinpointed by you. I ask this because I don't like individuals being "picked on" for want of our lack of knowledge.
Again - I ABSOLUTELY agree that we are not saved by works but by Christ.
But I cannot agree and have good for evil. You see, if I give to someone, I do it because I want to please God, not for a reward.
So I think the verse where Christ says "depart from me ye workers of iniquity" means just that! Just because they will say "look at the works we done in your name" doesn't mean that they were good works. If good works are iniquity - why does God prepare them for us?

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Message 167 of 222 (130496)
08-04-2004 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Cold Foreign Object
08-04-2004 8:57 PM


Re: You know WILLOWTREE...
Dr. Scott says it in plain english:
"Throw the mother fuckers out"
Thats what God thinks of fundementalists.
Do not try to save them. Do not love them - throw them out !
This is why Dr. Scott says EVERYONE is welcome in his church except "God damn fundementalists"
That is the ranting of a bigot, not the voice of someone who follows Christ.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 168 of 222 (130505)
08-04-2004 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Cold Foreign Object
08-04-2004 8:53 PM


Quoting Paul & Jesus, Who's on first?
Hi WillowTree,
I have noticed that several christians are fond of quoting Jesus to prove a point, which is admirable. I have also noticed them quoting Paul alot so I thought I would throw this at you and get your take on it.
Page not found - iahushua.com - ajaran bangsa israel dan yehuda / yahweh which is a link from the homepage Ajaran mengenai tuhan bangsa israel dan yahudi / yahweh
I have checked out several, though not all, areas offered at the home page and have already reached my own conclusion based upon my own investigation and the investigations and opinions of some of my christian friends.
(Yes, contrary to what some people think, I do have some christian friends and they are ever vigilent in trying to convince me of the accuracy of the bible. I even attended some of their bible study sessions last year so as one might guess by that, I am not totally anti-christian or anti-bible.)
If you can find the time, (which I understand may be difficult considering everything you have on your plate), check out the links. I would be very interested to hear your opinion on what is stated there, as well as the why's and how's that lead you to your conclusions.
As I already stated, I have come to my own conclusions with regards to the site I have offered but I shall hold off revealing my conclusions until I have seen what you, (and any other christian who may care to offer their opinion), have to say on the matter.
Thanks in advance,
DarkStar

The theory of evolution is a viable theory, absent the myth of macroevolution.
Once the myth of macroevolution is included, the viability of the theory of evolution vanishes as it slowly evolves into just another example of an implausible story,
nestled amongst the numerous fairytale's of our youth.-----DarkStar

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Message 169 of 222 (130514)
08-04-2004 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Cold Foreign Object
08-04-2004 5:31 PM


The debate is over, Willowtree lost.
Dear Willowtree;
You still have failed to respond to the scriptural arguments in at least my last two posts, it is pretty obvious that you can't. Once one side of a debate is unable to refute other side's argument, the debate is over. I have given you plenty of time and posts in which to make a counter argument and show how if I have misinterpreted scripture and then show me the correct interpretation. I have repeatedly shown you where you have misinterpreted scripture and have shown you the correct interpretation and why it is the right interpretation. While all you have done is to largely ignore the correction I have given you and have continued to twist scripture in a vain attempt to try to support your failed argument. Like your last post, your interpretation was so far off and so obviously ridiculous that I see serval other posters have stepped in and pointed it out to you.
It is pointless for me to continue to correct your errors when you refuse to even acknowledge it.
As I can see in your "Proof of God" thread, you don't even know when you have been completely disproved. For that matter you still haven't even responded to my last lost in that thread. Therefore, I here do formally declare this debate over and the issue of Faith/works to have been scripturally proven that faith without works is dead.
Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson

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Message 170 of 222 (130755)
08-05-2004 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by mike the wiz
08-04-2004 9:08 PM


Works = White Throne/Rev. 20
Hi Mike:
But I do seek and desire to know why this certain group has been pinpointed by you.
The OP clearly explains from scripture how the Fundementalists have voided THE ONLY way to relate to God and escape the looming judgement of hell.
The OP clearly shows that the Holy Spirit through Paul likened the established church of his day (the church at Jerusalem/pastored by James the epistle writer) to be the symbolic type of Ishmael who persecuted Isaac (type of the true church who walks by faith) AND AS ABRAHAM KICKED HAGAR AND ISHMAEL OUT we are to do the same with those who void the gospel/way of faith.
The word of God is eternal - thats what all evangelicals believe.
This means the established church at Jerusalem = the established church today - the Fundementalists - who do the exact same thing and preach works as the way you walk with Christ as opposed to the GOSPEL way of faith.
Read Galatians 4/OP the argument is from Paul who speaks for God.
WE ARE TO "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON"
Dr. Scott simply translates that in modern street language to mean:
"throw the mother fuckers out"
BECAUSE that IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD IS SAYING SHOULD BE DONE TO THOSE WHO VOID THE GOSPEL.
The argument has been there in Galatians for 2000 years.
I urge you to carefully read the OP and the context of the conclusion.
So I think the verse where Christ says "depart from me ye workers of iniquity" means just that! Just because they will say "look at the works we done in your name" doesn't mean that they were good works. If good works are iniquity - why does God prepare them for us?
The Matthew 7 verses we are discussing clearly has Jesus equating the "wonderful works" (which He admits) to be "works of iniquity" BECAUSE He "never knew them".
Thats what it says.
The context of Matthew 7 is the New Testament.
The NEW testament replaces the Old.
The N.T. is the gospel/way of faith to relate to God as opposed to the works of the O.T.
The ONLY way to know Christ is via the New way.
The persons in Matthew 7 are those who will stand before the White Throne Judgement Seat in Rev.20 and say that exact question in response to learning that they are going to hell - "have we not done" all these wonderful works ?
Jesus RESPONDS: "I never knew you"
Which THOSE works were evil because they were done APART from Him.
They were works done mindlessly under the belief that the performance of such is the way you walk and please God.
This entire scenario perfectly teaches that ONLY faith alone obtains relationship with Christ and subsequent to that results in "knowing Christ" and the way of relating (faith) which THEN inevitably will produce the Spirit in us doing the good works because of knowledge of sins forgiven.
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Message 171 of 222 (130756)
08-05-2004 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by wmscott
08-04-2004 10:36 PM


Sorry Anderson, I owe you some responses.
They are forthcoming.

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mike the wiz
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Message 172 of 222 (130866)
08-05-2004 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by Cold Foreign Object
08-05-2004 4:34 PM


Re: Works = White Throne/Rev. 20
Hi Willow
The persons in Matthew 7 are those who will stand before the White Throne Judgement Seat in Rev.20 and say that exact question in response to learning that they are going to hell - "have we not done" all these wonderful works ?
Jesus RESPONDS: "I never knew you"
Which THOSE works were evil because they were done APART from Him.
Oh - now I see that there is a point to that, now you've explained. You see, I assumed (silly me) - that you meant all works are evil, even good ones. But what you're saying is that it is iniquity for THEM because Christ never knew them. You see, I also have read this in my bible - and thought that these people are also claiming to know him, saying "master, master". You see - surely those who just "use" Christ's name (false prophets etc) are also included in this.
I see your point - and agree that Christ is the way, not works. As self-righteoussness is filthy rags.
But don't some fundies preach faith aswell? How can you lump them all in without knowing for sure?
This entire scenario perfectly teaches that ONLY faith alone obtains relationship with Christ and subsequent to that results in "knowing Christ" and the way of relating (faith) which THEN inevitably will produce the Spirit in us doing the good works because of knowledge of sins forgiven.
Yes. And also Abraham's faith was counted for righteoussness when uncircumcised. I think you speak this correctly, as "knowledge of sins" is indeed relevant!
I think this whole "throw the f**ers out" thing is not needed though Willowtree. It's not like you don't have wisdom, as you have spoken wisely. I reckon you could do a better job without Scott for this reason.
Many are against you, but I am not against you. I just think you might be a bit controversial. I don't think anyone should be thrown away though.
I think you might mean well, I think you're kinder than people are judging you to be. I hope Christ is kind to you! And now you have explained, forgive my previous remarks.
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Message 173 of 222 (131484)
08-08-2004 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by DarkStar
08-04-2004 9:51 PM


Re: Quoting Paul & Jesus, Who's on first?
Hi DarkStar:
Your link-site appears to be Jewish rant against Paul. Looks like this site is a continuation of Jewish mobs in the N.T. who sought to kill Paul.
Acts 23:12
And when it was day, certain of the Jews banded together, and bound themselves under a curse, saying that they would neither eat nor drink till they had killed Paul.
Because of obvious hatred of Paul - why would you trust the sites gross theological verse heresies ?
Why would anyone trust Jewish commentary on Christian theology which they reject ?
Paul was Saul the christian killer.
His conversion on the Damascus Road in Acts 9 is famous.
Jews despise Paul for obvious reasons.
BUT IF Jesus did to you what He did to Paul in Acts 9 YOU WOULD BELIEVE ALSO.
The point is that JESUS chose Paul - Acts 9 confirms this.
This means Paul speaks for Jesus the risen Saviour.
Paul wrote two thirds of the N.T./canon = CLAIMED eternal word of God.
Paul's message is from Jesus - FAITH and FAITH alone attaches us to Christ.
Jews remain under the belief that the Messiah is yet to come, thus they are still Old Testament works of law = the way God is pleased.
Paul, speaking for Jesus in the N.T., reports the exact opposite to be true.
The only issue is: Is Jesus the Messiah - Resurrected Christ ?
IF that is true then Paul speaks for God/Jesus.
YOU must determine if Jesus is your God or not.
IF works of the law is the way to please God THEN what is to stop any wise and clever heathen from taking out an insurance policy by fulfilling the prescribed amount of works and making it in ?
IF you diligently conform to Hebrews 11:6 while looking to Jesus He will reveal Himself incontrovertible to you.
Faith has a promised end result = manifestation, when this happens Paul will be confirmed correct.
The Pyramid confirms the Resurrection - not a matter of opinion.

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Message 174 of 222 (131707)
08-08-2004 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by wmscott
07-28-2004 10:40 PM


Re: faith without any need of doing the works of faith, is a hypocrite
It is very apparent that you are hung up on a word, and that word is faith, shockingly you don't even understand the full biblical meaning of the word.
The New Testament is "hung up on" the word faith.
I know the greek my friend and your derogatory dismissal of faith proves you are a perverted fundementalist as spoken of by Paul in Galatians 1.
"faith" is a VERB and it is always in the genitive case when written to communicate our function in the New Covenant.
genitive: means generating from something.
The something is us.
Faith must originate from us, it must be generated by us.
Its object: A promise found in the word of God.
Faith is the only term of the New Covenant.
To reject faith as the mode of relationship with Christ is to automatically relegate oneself to be under the jurisdiction of Law and its impossible demands AND its penalty of death for any violation.
Relate to God/Christ by faith and the Law is abrogate and God deals with you in His grace.
Anderson:
You think the way to walk with God is conformity to righteous standard/law.
The NEW way is faith and when faith is practiced the Spirit miraculously enables us to walk by destroying the desire to sin in us.
Our ONLY dispute is how the day to day walk with God is realized.
The N.T. says IF we walk by genitive faith the Spirit will eventually empower us and free us from the bondage of sin AND the demands of law.
You circumvent this intended miracle by God by instantly focusing upon what EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS - that we cannot sin.
When we refrain from sinning MINUS gospel faith we are relating to God via works and works don't save or get the Spirit.
Intent is all important.
Look at the word love, in the NT there are four Greek words used that each describe a specific type of love. The word love is used with a much greater depth of meaning then what you would find by looking it up in a dictionary. I hope you will agree with me that a love that doesn't move one to act in harmony with it, isn't real. That a person may say he loves God, but his conduct reveals whether he really does or not
How do you love an invisible Being ?
IF you love someone you want to please them.
What pleases God ?
Hebrews 11:6 says ONLY faith.
Therefore, when we are practicing faith we are loving God.
When we are loving God via the stated way to please Him - this allows God to place His Spirit in us and change us so our "conduct"as you put it reflects a God-possessed person.
I agree - that our conduct is important - the issue is HOW to walk Godly.
Law keeping as a self discipline is evil works which the entire Bible condemns IF you do it with the intent of maintaining standing with God.
To remain in sin is not an option - can we agree on that ?
God has us cornered - intentionally.
Sinning and works don't save - THIS IS INTENDED TO DRIVE US TO THE GOSPEL/WAY OF FAITH so that the Spirit can give us a miracle of deliverance AND TEACH US THAT THE LIFE OF FAITH IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT WITH GOD.
It is the same way with the biblical use of the word "faith" Paul defined it in scripture, he stated that. (Hebrews 11:1) "Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." This is the biblical definition of the word faith, and that definition of the word faith states that it includes or requires works as demonstration of one's faith.
NOWHERE does the Bible define faith.
To do so would contaminate free will beings from innocently generating uncontrived expressions of faith.
Hebrews 11:1 proclaims what faith accomplishes - it is not a definition.
EDIT:
"Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for...."
The word in the greek is "hypostassis"; it means "title deed" via koinae greek.
The remainder of Hebrews 11 gives examples of faith/title "deeds".
"deeds" are actions which demonstrate to God that you possess a promise of His DESPITE reality/circumstances which deny it.
I have to suddenly go off line....
I will finish tomorrow.
thanks for listening Anderson,
WT
Continuing....
Why would you begin your post by discounting the importance of faith and THEN contradictorily venture to the one chapter in the Bible which exclusively objectifies the importance of faith ?
The evidence of our faith is our works of faith. By our doing works of faith, we demonstrate our faith, if not, we do not have the biblical definition of faith. You seen to be using a definition of faith that merely equals "belief" which is not the full meaning of the word faith in the Bible.
Works of faith BEING the pursuit of a promise of God and OUR actions conforming to the stated promise UNTIL God manifests it and it becomes reality.
The works of faith IS NOT the conformity to works of law - that is not faith. That is works, it is also good not to sin but it is not faith and it does not get the Spirit and it DECEIVES the doer IF they think it maintains standing with God.
Romans 4:5 says "to him who worketh not".
The context of that verse is the 3rd verse which confirms the Abrahamic covenant to be the precise event and wording and example of the New Covenant, that we are to do the same, that we are to believe God pertaining to a promise (just like Abraham did) AND in response God will credit righteousness - THATS WHAT IT SAYS.
WE are to act in faith that Christ will deliver us from the impossible demands of law and our evil natures. God, in response, will perform His part of the Covenant and manifest His Spirit in us which will CAUSE us to "walk in newness of life."
I know you don't think James is inspired
WRONG !
It is placed in the canon BY GOD as an exhibit of what heresy looks like. James does say some obviously good things - thus heresy is wrapped in "normalcy" and exteriors of respectability - just like the Pharisees.
You seen to be using a definition of faith that merely equals "belief" which is not the full meaning of the word faith in the Bible. In scripture, faith is much more than belief, justing knowing about God is not enough. (James 2:19) "You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder."
Definition of faith (and everytime I use I mean the following):
Action based upon
Belief sustained by
Confidence.
We are to ACT upon a promise of God, based upon the BELIEF, and sustain that action and belief by CONFIDENCE.
In the O.T. the highest form of trust is the word "AMEN", which means "so be it". It means to lack any doubt.
Thus the greek N.T. word for faith - "pisteo" encompasses all of the above.
You are grounded in the error that faith somehow means "conforming to righteous standards" which is the O.T. covenant.
Thats right the demons believe and they aint saved. Belief is one third of faith.
Faith is the total absence of fear and doubt, that is the surrender to these antithesis states, and the determined day to day fixation upon a promise of God that fits ones circumstance of need. The object of faith must be a promise of God - just like Abraham did.
When this is done God will manifest His Spirit in us and relate to us in love because of the blood of Christ.
This is why Hebrews 3 and 4 clearly defines faith to be the "works" of the seventh day when God rested from His works - we are to do the same THATS WHAT IT SAYS and to change that exact message is blasphemy/Galatians 1 perversion of voiding the gospel/way of faith.
God hates hypocrites, and that is what you would be if you say you are a Christian and yet do not try to live as one.
Christianity is IMPOSSIBLE to live.
The demands of the righteous standard and the terror of sinning IS INTENDED by God to drive us to the gospel for deliverance.
An on-going deliverance that happens as we relate to God via the life of faith upon His promises.
Nobody has argued that we can sin - you keep changing the subject.
Nobody has argued that God's law can be ignored and thus violated.
The issue is WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT.
IF we embrace the gospel as our main focus Christ will by miracle take care of all the rest. You are incapable of understanding this.
You constantly think my message is one of license.
You need to be converted born-again style via faith and get delivered from this deceived mindset of twisting everything into age-old O.T. works, which said standard NOBODY but Christ kept and the last word in the O.T. is CURSE - the portion of the law to them IF it is not kept perfectly. This law and penalty is abrogate IF we are acting is gospel faith which places us in grace.
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Message 175 of 222 (131754)
08-09-2004 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Cold Foreign Object
08-08-2004 12:14 AM


Re: Quoting Paul & Jesus, Who's on first?
Okay, I find some comfort in the fact that you too recognize the errors that can be found at the site I provided.
But don't be too quick to start slamming jews.
Jesus was a jew, his diciples were jews, paul was a jew, the first christians were jews, I am a jew.
I am not sure where exactly but I believe somewhere the bible its says you should bless the jews and god will bless you.

The theory of evolution is a viable theory, absent the myth of macroevolution.
Once the myth of macroevolution is included, the viability of the theory of evolution vanishes as it slowly evolves into just another example of an implausible story,
nestled amongst the numerous fairytale's of our youth.-----DarkStar

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Message 176 of 222 (131946)
08-09-2004 2:27 PM
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08-09-2004 12:25 AM


Re: Quoting Paul & Jesus, Who's on first?
Hi Darkstar:
Nowhere did I slam Jews.
I slammed certain Jewish POSITIONS against Paul and N.T. theology.
It was a RESPONSE to a link that ended by calling Paul: Satan.
Go here and read what I think of Jews:
http://EvC Forum: The New Neo-Nazi's -->EvC Forum: The New Neo-Nazi's

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Message 177 of 222 (132915)
08-11-2004 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Cold Foreign Object
08-08-2004 8:53 PM


The debate is over, you lost, get over it.
Dear Willowtree;
The debate is over, you lost already.
In your last post you still failed to support your argument and merely repeated your pervious errors, so there is little point in replying. I will make a few comments however.
quote:
I know the greek my friend and your derogatory dismissal of faith proves you are a perverted fundementalist as spoken of by Paul in Galatians 1. "faith" is a VERB
Oh, you know Greek, I am so impressed. Let's take a look at your demonstration of expertise in Greek.
quote:
Thus the greek N.T. word for faith - "pisteo" encompasses all of the above. . . . The word in the greek is "hypostassis"; it means "title deed" via koinae greek.
First off, when you refer to "greek" it is "Greek" the 'g' should be capitalised. Second you misspelled "pisteo" it is spelled pisteuo and is the wrong word or form anyway. Pisteuo means to "have faith" while pistis is the Greek word generally translated as 'faith'. "hypostassis" is misspelled as well, the correct spelling is hupostasis and "koinae" is spelled Koine, boy you really know your "greek", you can't even spell it but you know it all so well. If you paid for an education in biblical Greek, I hope you got a money back guarantee, I think you could collect on it.
You still don't understand the biblical usage of the word 'faith' and you even seem to have trouble understanding the meaning of English (notice the capital 'E') words and their usage. For an example, look at the definition of Faith that you posted.
quote:
Definition of faith (and everytime I use I mean the following): Action based upon Belief sustained by Confidence.
All you need to do is open a dictionary and look up the word 'Action' and check the definition; "a thing done: DEED". The very definition you have been using clearly states that faith is works (or deeds) based on a solid belief. Is English a second language for you? It is pointless to engage in a lengthy debate with you over the relationship between faith and words, when you can't understand basic English, you need to learn how to use a dictionary. Who knows, you might even learn how to spell "fundementalist" right. A word to wise here; write your posts in your word program, just cut the post you are replying to and paste it into your word program and then you don't even have to be on line to write your reply. That way you can use the spell checker and use the dictionary feature to check word meanings. Also learn to cut your loses, there is no point in continuing to argue a lost argument and looking more and more like a fool. Most people respect those who know when to admit they are wrong, and then you are free to move on to more productive things.
quote:
Anderson: You think the way to walk with God is conformity to righteous standard/law.
No, that is not what I think, we are saved by faith, but faith without works is dead. I have told you this over and over, but you never get it and just keep attacking this stereotype you have made up in your mind that you apply to everyone who disagrees with you. You seem to have trouble understanding what I am saying, maybe you should have his discussion in your native tongue and you would hopefully be better able to comprehend what is being said to you.
quote:
NOWHERE does the Bible define faith. To do so would contaminate free will beings from innocently generating uncontrived expressions of faith. Hebrews 11:1 proclaims what faith accomplishes - it is not a definition.
This is where your difficulty in understanding basic English word usage is really making you look foolish. Look at what the verse states; Hebrews 11:1 "Faith is . . ", what follows is what faith is, or in other words a definition or description. It really is much easier to admit when you are wrong, to keep pounding your head on the wall while crying "it isn't so!" only shows how ridiculous your argument is and makes you look ridiculous as well.
quote:
Christianity is IMPOSSIBLE to live.
Maybe for you, it certainly is if you don't try.
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Nobody has argued that we can sin - you keep changing the subject. Nobody has argued that God's law can be ignored and thus violated. The issue is WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. IF we embrace the gospel as our main focus Christ will by miracle take care of all the rest. You are incapable of understanding this. You constantly think my message is one of license.
Your message is one of 'license', you simply fail to see that is what you have been saying. If you say that no effort is needed or required to conform to God's standards, you are indeed saying it is OK to go a head and sin. That is part of the problem, you don't even grasp the meaning of the words you are speaking or the full implications of what you are saying. Perhaps it is simply that you fail to comprehend that you are telling people in so many words that they can ignore what the Bible states and do whatever they want, that they can leave it all up to the spirit and they are free any of responsibility.
But enough of this, you seem to be unable or unwilling to understand basic English word usage so there is no point in continuing this. I have too many demands on my time to keep wasting my time with someone with a flat learning curve. If you were to show a willingness to learn and be willing to admit your mistakes, I could help you learn, but unless you are willing to change, I see no reason to continue.
Sincerely Yours; Wm Scott Anderson

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 178 of 222 (132935)
08-11-2004 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by wmscott
08-11-2004 5:20 PM


Anderson:
Your post is one huge rant asserting yourself smarter than me.
Nothing is misspelled in my previous post. ALL is accurate.
I have no desire to debate with a person who created a post to TELL me how smart they are while insulting me for my inability to see it.

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DarkStar
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Message 179 of 222 (133051)
08-11-2004 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Cold Foreign Object
08-09-2004 2:27 PM


Re: Quoting Paul & Jesus, Who's on first?
Ok, sorry. I thought maybe you were one of those christians who refers to jews as christ killers. I apologize for any misunderstanding on my part.

The theory of evolution is a viable theory, absent the myth of macroevolution.
Once the myth of macroevolution is included, the viability of the theory of evolution vanishes as it slowly evolves into just another example of an implausible story,
nestled amongst the numerous fairytale's of our youth.-----DarkStar

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Message 180 of 222 (133316)
08-12-2004 3:37 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by DarkStar
08-11-2004 11:00 PM


Re: Quoting Paul & Jesus, Who's on first?
No problem.
The Father killed Christ for MY sins.
I killed Christ.
The actual executioning agent was the Romans incited by a small handful of religious leaders who happened to be Jews.

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