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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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Are you thereby stating that we should give up investigation since it is apparent that we can never resolve the issue?
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Wise Inactive Member |
Wise What makes the pastor incapable of lying? One would suppose that nearly anyone would be capable of lying...BUT, in the said story there was a number of individuals involved which would have made his task of lying very very difficult if the Pastor chose to do so. In looking up other NDE'S on the net I noticed that several of them had very similar stories to mine most notably: #1-That time does not exist as we know it. #2-Their lives flashing before their eyes very quickly #3-Extremely bright light #4-A feeling of warmth and peace Not long ago, perhaps a few years there was a documentary on the set which had those who experienced NDE'S.I remember one man who was pronounced clinically dead and who said he wanted to go back. Why? He was experiencing a great amount of pain in his body and he felt pure peace in the afterlife. He said he did not want to be here anymore. Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Wise, I think the best way to know that God exists and that there is an afterlife is because that is what He tells us in the Bible. To others: as someone with at least some background in neuroscience, both clinical and theoretical, I think the best anyone (Christian, non-Christian, or anyone else) can say regarding NDEs is "that is certainly interesting, and voting one way or the other is really just speculation whatever your background or research interests." Anything more would seem to be speaking out of turn. GOooossssssssshhhhhhhh......I feel admonished. But hey..........Death is part of life and these experiences are indeed fascinating. They certainly strike a dagger into the heart of atheism. Wise
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
They certainly strike a dagger into the heart of atheism. What a peculiar statement! They point the way to lots of possible research on brain chemistry - especially the "bright white light" phenomenon that the Tibetan Book of the Dead talks about - but they don't have doodley to do with atheism.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 8996 From: Canada Joined: |
Wise, you seem to be missing a point.
We do know that our senses are not perfect. We know that we can see, hear, smell and feel things which have no external reality. Based on this those of us not predisposed to believe things are not going to take your account as evidence for anything more than that you believe you experienced these things. It isn't meaningful beyond that.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Wise responds to me:
quote:quote: Nothing. Charged particles are that way simply because there is no other way for them to be. Charged particles aren't like taking a glass rod and rubbing it with silk so that it carries a static charge. Electrons have a negative charge because that's what makes them electrons. If they had a positive charge, they'd be positrons. What exactly about Maxwell's Equations do you misunderstand? ÑE = r/e0ÑE = -B/t ÑB = 0 ÑB = m0J + m0e0E/t quote: Electrons have a soul? Quantum mechanics describes the soul? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Wise responds to me:
quote:quote: Irrelevant. The question is not that you had an experience. The question is what that experience means. When we go to see David Copperfield or Penn and Teller, we see fantastical feats. Things disappear right before our eyes. Does that mean they have occult powers? Nobody denies that you saw something disappear. The question is whether or not the disappearance means what you claim it means.
quote: Nobody denies that. You had a horrible accident. You had a vision. Since when did having a vision mean that it was necessarily a supernatural vision? How can you tell?
quote: Who said I was an atheist? You, too, see to think that the only alternative to your opinion about god is to think there is no god. Have you considered the possibility that god does exist but not in the way you think? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Wise writes:
quote: ÑE = r/e0ÑE = -B/t ÑB = 0 ÑB = m0J + m0e0E/t What about this do you not understand?
quote: Incorrect. It is known that the electrical impulses originate from the motion of charged particles. Those charged particles happen to take place inside of the brain, but there is nothing special about the charged particles simply for being inside a brain. Or are you saying that the chemistry that takes place inside of a cell is of a fundamentally different form than the chemistry that takes place outside of a cell?
quote: They don't. Or do we need to explain myelinization to you? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Wise responds to crashfrog:
quote:quote: And yet, they say the exact same thing using the exact same evidence. Why should anybody believe you over them? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Brian Member (Idle past 4959 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Their's are FALSE. Mine was REAL. Your proof that their visions were false is what exactly? You really haven't got the hang of constructing an argument have you? Based on this defect of yours, I conclude that God has not sent you back to inform atheists, if He did then you would be just a tad more convincing. I think it is time you owned up to being an atheist having a carry on. It was funny for a while but it is getting boring now. Brian.
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Wise Inactive Member |
Your proof that their visions were false is what exactly? You really haven't got the hang of constructing an argument have you? Based on this defect of yours, I conclude that God has not sent you back to inform atheists, if He did then you would be just a tad more convincing. I think it is time you owned up to being an atheist having a carry on. It was funny for a while but it is getting boring now. Brian. You appear to be suffering from something. Backslidden perhaps? Ideas of NDE'S haunting you? Well, I have some bad news....yes...some very bad news. Many NDE'S are NOT pleasant and involve a place called hell. Behold:http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html Wise [This message has been edited by Wise, 11-09-2003]
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Wise Inactive Member |
What a peculiar statement! They point the way to lots of possible research on brain chemistry - especially the "bright white light" phenomenon that the Tibetan Book of the Dead talks about - but they don't have doodley to do with atheism. They point to an AFTERLIFE. Something in which Christianity espouses and atheism REJECTS.MANY individuals SAW JESUS. So NDE'S most CERTAINLY strike a dagger into the heart of atheism One case has a nurse who records *50* such NDE'S and all of them had out of body experiences that recollected nearly everything that took place in the operating room in which the individual were totally unconscious or clinacally dead. Wise --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Wise Inactive Member |
And yet, they say the exact same thing using the exact same evidence. Why should anybody believe you over them? Because my NDE has MORE HISTORY and MORE evidence SUPPORTING the NDE from a religious (Biblical) perspective, theirs does NOT. PLUS I had one PLUS, there is Smith Wigglesworth who was supoposed to have raised some *23 people from the DEAD. Astonishing ! Wise
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Wise Inactive Member |
Nothing. Charged particles are that way simply because there is no other way for them to be. Charged particles aren't like taking a glass rod and rubbing it with silk so that it carries a static charge. Electrons have a negative charge because that's what makes them electrons. If they had a positive charge, they'd be positrons. What exactly about Maxwell's Equations do you misunderstand? E = r/e0E = -B/t B = 0 B = m0J + m0e0E/t Yeaaahh...Riiigght. NOTHING charges particles? You MUST have attended Saint Atheist school of higher learning. SOMETHING is charging those particles and let us NOT FORGET that the brain EMITS an electromatic field of some sort which is the soul and spirit eminating energy and keeping the body alive. This would be a more accurate equation: e V 58e 47IIBA07C7E E$$IA$5&7587se 5 IV7s3rVe 45& h5&E$7ehE04 rE0 De 587 ... Wise
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
NOTHING charges particles? You MUST have attended Saint Atheist school of higher learning. You mean the school where we use physics textbooks instead of saying "God did it"? Yup. If you're so smart maybe you can tell us what an uncharged electron would be, and where we could find one.
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