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Wise
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Message 61 of 130 (64994)
11-07-2003 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Dan Carroll
11-07-2003 10:30 AM


Let's run a little experiment, then. Don't eat for a month. See how well your soul and spirit provide energy.
Actually fasting for this length of time ENHANCES the mind.
The Soul and Spirit become revitalized.
It is the body that will eventually suffer if it goes on to long. Then the electrically charged soul and spirit will not have a channel (flesh) to operate, they THEN exit the body (death).
Wise

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Dan Carroll
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Message 62 of 130 (64995)
11-07-2003 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:58 PM


quote:
Actually fasting for this length of time ENHANCES the mind.
Given that I'm talking to a guy who thinks that getting smacked in the head with a mack truck left his mind in an entirely clear state, this statement doesn't surprise me.
But just for giggles, I'll play along.
Please explain how this enhances the mind. What is the process by which it happens?

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Dan Carroll
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Message 63 of 130 (64997)
11-07-2003 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:46 PM


quote:
Loudmouth says:
A positive charge is obtained if the number of electrons is less than the total number of protons in an atom/molecule. A negative charge is obtained if there are more electrons than protons in an atom/molecule. An atom will give up or take on electrons in order to stabilize its outer ring of electrons, or outer valence. The number of protons stays the same.
quote:
Wise says:
WHAT exactly...CHARGED those particles?
Are you actually interested in receiving answers, or do you just want to keep asking the same question over and over?
Now... are you alleging that anything with electrons in it has a soul? If so, you'd better stop going to the bathroom. No matter where you piss, you're pissing on a soul.
If you're not saying that anything with electrons in it has a soul, then you have your answer. The electric charges of the particles in the brain come from the number of electrons. No soul involved.
So which is it? Your toilet has a soul, or you're barking up the wrong tree?
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sidelined
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Message 64 of 130 (64998)
11-07-2003 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:58 PM


Wise,a question on this phrase from your last post.
Then the electrically charged soul and spirit will not have a channel (flesh) to operate
Am I to take by this phrase that you are under the impression that electricity is what constitutes a soul?
[This message has been edited by sidelined, 11-07-2003]

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Brian
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Message 65 of 130 (64999)
11-07-2003 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:54 PM


Thanks for ignoring the vast majority of my post LOL
I believe the Bible says that unbelievers will be exposed to "outer darkness".
The Bible talks about NDE's? LOL, Jesus 'wise' what is the name of the planet that you live on?
This would have been preleminary and FACTUAL.
WTF are you talking about here?
'wise' are you still on medication of some kind?
Brian

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JustinC
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Message 66 of 130 (65001)
11-07-2003 5:19 PM


How can you guys have a discussion with a guy who thinks writing in caps lock is a good debating strategy?

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NosyNed
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Message 67 of 130 (65003)
11-07-2003 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by JustinC
11-07-2003 5:19 PM


Well, substantive debates on evolution and creationism have been a bit sparse lately. Most here just seem to like debating and will take on almost anything for the fun of it.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 68 of 130 (65004)
11-07-2003 5:25 PM
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11-07-2003 5:19 PM


Wise is like that fat kid on the playground that you wanna throw rocks at. You look at him and... damn, just look at him there! Gimme a freakin' rock. I gotta throw a rock at this fat kid.

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Loudmouth
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Message 69 of 130 (65006)
11-07-2003 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:38 PM


Animals could VERY WELL have some *SORT of a soul albeit DIFFERENT from humans.
But yet you still have NOT EXPLAINED the SOURCE of energy.
Your describtion is akin to taking an alternator out of a car and hooking it up to an electric motor with a drive belt. If you begin to turn the unit by hand one would suspect the generator to generate electricty to run the motor. It WOULD ...but once you LET GO it STOPS.
Now, where do those negative and positive ions COME FROM?
The only LOGICAL answer is a SOUL and SPIRIT.
Wise
Squids don't have fatty sheaths on their axons like mammals do, but thats about it, same phenomena. So I guess you are saying that God gave everything a soul? So there really isn't anything different between chimps and humans? hmm, interesting.
My example is not like an alternator, it is more akin to a battery. The potential energy, the membrane potential, is the source of the energy. This potential is set up by differentially distributing anions and cations. This is just like a battery where you have positive and negative terminals. Once those two are connected, you have energy. Are you then saying the soul is membrane potential? HMMM, even more interesting.
Or maybe you are saying the soul is the chemical energy used to create the membrane potential. In that case, our soul is the Kreb cycle and glycolysis. These two processes create ATP, or adenosine triphosphate. ATP is used by the potassium/sodium pumps to set up the membrane potential.
So, as you can see, chemical energy stored in the high-energy bonds of ATP (ATP to ADP produces energy) gives the ion pumps the mechanical energy to create a membrane potential. This membrane potential can then be used to transmit a nerve impulse. I still don't see a soul getting involved.
The fact that you don't know about physiology, chemistry, or simple physics makes me wonder if you understand that there are finer points to evolution. Maybe you can't believe its science because you have never understood science. By plugging your ears and shouting "lalalalalalala" loud enough you think that you can call science whatever you like. What you are doing here is akin to someone critiquing the Bible when they don't even know what the difference between the Old and New Testaments are.
How about this, bone up on what we do know about nerve impulses and glial cell interaction and then give us a theory for the impact of the soul in neurobiology and neurophysiology. Stating that the soul creates ions is only going to make people laugh at you.

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Rei
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Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 70 of 130 (65010)
11-07-2003 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Wise
11-07-2003 3:43 PM


quote:
No doubt that without light all life would cease to exist at some point or another.
Nah, the tubeworm ecosystems would do just fine on geothermal (radioactive decay) energy alone.
quote:
*Light was Gods FIRST creation before life began.
Evidence, apart form the multiply-copied, transcribed from oral tradition, legends of a 4 thousand year old nomadic desert shepherd tribe being taken at face value?
quote:
But then again,does our voltage drop when the sun goes down?
1) Voltage != Energy. Energy is in watts - and it can be electricity, heat, kinetic, you name it. Voltage * Current = Energy, in the case of electricity.
2) Does a battery instantly discharge when you stop charging it? No? Neither does the planet Earth lose all of its energy when the sun is no longer shining in a particular face. In the long-term absence of light, it would steadily decay to a lower energy state.
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

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Wise
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Message 71 of 130 (65023)
11-07-2003 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Dan Carroll
11-07-2003 4:09 PM


Given that I'm talking to a guy who thinks that getting smacked in the head with a mack truck left his mind in an entirely clear state, this statement doesn't surprise me.
But just for giggles, I'll play along.
Please explain how this enhances the mind. What is the process by which it happens?
It is well known that fasting enhances the mind and body. It rids the body of toxins and after so many days can place one in state of euphoria.
A short fast such as 3 days is uite beneficial but not nearly as beneficial as say a 14 day or longer fast.
In many cases it can bring deadly cancers under control.
Search the net as to its benefits.
Wise

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Wise
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Message 72 of 130 (65024)
11-07-2003 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by sidelined
11-07-2003 4:27 PM


Am I to take by this phrase that you are under the impression that electricity is what constitutes a soul?
*BINGO*
It certainly is the source of electricty.
Wise

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Loudmouth
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Message 73 of 130 (65026)
11-07-2003 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Wise
11-07-2003 7:08 PM


It [the soul] certainly is the source of electricty.
So now lightning storms have souls? This is getting confusing.

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Rei
Member (Idle past 7013 days)
Posts: 1546
From: Iowa City, IA
Joined: 09-03-2003


Message 74 of 130 (65033)
11-07-2003 7:43 PM


Brad vs. Wise
You know what I would just love to see? A debate between Brad and Wise. I'd fix (insert your favorite dessert here) and mail it for anyone who can read the entire debate well enough to be able to recite each of their key arguments from all of their posts, while at the same time not having their head explode.
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"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."
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Wise
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Message 75 of 130 (65035)
11-07-2003 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Loudmouth
11-07-2003 5:29 PM


How about this, bone up on what we do know about nerve impulses and glial cell interaction and then give us a theory for the impact of the soul in neurobiology and neurophysiology. Stating that the soul creates ions is only going to make people laugh at you.
Who? What? Where?
What is the SOURCE of electricity? It is known that the electrical impulses originate from the brain.
Ones THOUGHTS as well are hard to define as to their origination. For instance you cannot show me ones "thoughts" on a physical level...can you?
SHOW them to me
That is because there is something MORE to man than mere flesh and blood.
Show me an Algebraic equation in someones thoughts
You CANNOT.
Next HOW does the Nodes of Ranvier ALLOW energy to enter the AXON HMMMMMMM?
Wise

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