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IamJoseph
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Message 286 of 301 (467586)
05-22-2008 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by bluegenes
05-22-2008 5:44 AM


Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME - PLENTY!
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What indicates a language disorder is purely and simply your use of language, the type of mistakes that you make, and your apparent inability to identify them.
On the ther hand, not specifying your point of my mistake can also be a form if dysfunction.

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Straggler
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Message 287 of 301 (467597)
05-22-2008 6:19 PM


Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
Well who woulda thought it.......
We have nearly hit the 300 post mark on a topic designed to determine whether or not the surface of a sphere has a center!!!
What's more it has actually been quite entertaining.
Hilarious!!

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IamJoseph
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Message 288 of 301 (467632)
05-22-2008 11:29 PM
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05-22-2008 6:19 PM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
Its also desperately foolish one-eyed-jack logic to depend only on the example of a dimensionless 'surface', while ignoring everything else in reality, and to allocate this as a scientific, vindifacted fact. Duh.

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lyx2no
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Message 289 of 301 (467633)
05-22-2008 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by IamJoseph
05-22-2008 11:29 PM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
Besides you, who mentioned anything about dimensionless surfaces? We were ignoring dimensionless surfaces and paying attention to reality.

Kindly
A mind changed against its will is of the same opinion still.

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IamJoseph
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Message 290 of 301 (467639)
05-23-2008 12:22 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by lyx2no
05-22-2008 11:37 PM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
Of coz, you were incorrect by nominating the surface area of the earth, and not being able to identify a centre; nor have you bothered to ask yourself why this is so. In reality, that surface area is part of the sphere [outermost crust]; it's seperation from the sphere does not reflect reality nor can it exist independently.
The conclusion is: a centre is relative to its position.
Because its position governs its surrounds and all points within and without; if the surrounds are virtual [dimensionless], so is the centre. A centre is relative to the sphere which contains it - this refers to the position, in both objecive and subjective terms. Thus the centre of the earth cannot also be the centre of Jupiter - because these are two different positions; nor can one conclude there are many relative centres and thereby there are no centres.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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IamJoseph
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Message 291 of 301 (467640)
05-23-2008 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by lyx2no
05-22-2008 11:37 PM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
I suggest you start a thread which asks, what difference if the universe has a centre and a boundary? This will determine if this premise is a superfluous, academic one; impacting on reality; or one which negatively impacts certain other premises held, thus fostering a motive which has no basis.

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Vacate
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Message 292 of 301 (467641)
05-23-2008 12:31 AM
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05-23-2008 12:22 AM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
In reality, that surface area is part of the sphere [outermost crust]; it's seperation from the sphere does not reflect reality nor can it exist independently.
To test your theory I grabbed my tape measure and a bright pink highlighter. I proceeded to mark the center of the surface of my bedroom door. It continues to be part of, and showing the center of, the surface of my bedroom door. Last I checked my door, the earth, are both part of reality.
Interesting though that I have been unable to repeat this experiment with a basketball outside of coloring it pink - as your other claim suggests.

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IamJoseph
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Message 293 of 301 (467646)
05-23-2008 1:05 AM
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05-23-2008 12:31 AM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
Poor experiment. Unlike the door which can be seperated as antoher entity with dimensions, let's see you seperate the surface of the earth, and put it in your bedroom?
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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bluegenes
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Message 294 of 301 (467648)
05-23-2008 1:21 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by IamJoseph
05-22-2008 4:51 PM


Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME - PLENTY!
IaJ writes:
bluegenes writes:
What indicates a language disorder is purely and simply your use of language, the type of mistakes that you make, and your apparent inability to identify them.
On the ther hand, not specifying your point of my mistake can also be a form if dysfunction.
Look at what you've written there.
I linked to the article three times. It tells you what to look for, but one of its main points is that those suffering from language disorders will have trouble identifying the mistakes they make.
I can point out plenty of faults in your posts, but why don't you identify them yourself? And if you can't, the implications are.......what?

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Vacate
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Message 295 of 301 (467649)
05-23-2008 1:23 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by IamJoseph
05-23-2008 1:05 AM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
Unlike the door which can be seperated as antoher entity with dimensions, let's see you seperate the surface of the earth, and put it in your bedroom?
Huh?
So for something to have a surface it must fit in a bedroom? What do you mean "separate the surface of the earth"? I didn't separate the door to find the surface, I looked at it and found the surface. I then measured from its edges to find the center of the surface.
The Earth is similar enough to a basketball in shape to make the comparison valid. The basketball is small enough to fit the criteria of fitting in a bedroom. So can you explain why coloring the ball would be the correct method of showing the center of the surface of the basketball? How does every single point being called a "center" give any meaning to the word "center"?
Are you denying the definition of "center" or denying the definition of "surface"? (or both) Its hard to tell.
Lastly - why the hell does something have to fit in my bedroom to be measured?

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IamJoseph
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Message 296 of 301 (467651)
05-23-2008 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by Vacate
05-23-2008 1:23 AM


Re: Well Who Woulda Thought It.......
quote:
I didn't separate the door to find the surface, I looked at it and found the surface.
The door is a seperated entity with dimensions - which you can look at, measure and find in your house. You cannot do that with a surface of the earth.
The resorting to unending, imaginative academic manouvers to enable it to result is actual ones, has thus far failed in every instance, and each has resulted in denials. Here, you allign a physical door with dimensions, to a non-physical academic surface - as if comparing a football with a tennis ball. Thus i asked you to place your surface in the bedroom - similar to your door in your lounge room - and you became dismayed?
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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IamJoseph
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Message 297 of 301 (467652)
05-23-2008 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 294 by bluegenes
05-23-2008 1:21 AM


Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME - PLENTY!
On the ther hand, not specifying your point of my mistake can also be a form if dysfunction.

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bluegenes
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Message 298 of 301 (467653)
05-23-2008 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 297 by IamJoseph
05-23-2008 2:03 AM


Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME - PLENTY!
IaJ writes:
On the ther hand, not specifying your point of my mistake can also be a form if dysfunction.
Now, see if you can rewrite that in English.
Joseph, other people can see your glaring mistakes. It is not our job to point out the thousands of nonsensical sentences that you've posted on EvC, and explain what's wrong with each one. What's interesting is that you seem to be incapable of perceiving your faults and correcting them.
The medical paper that I linked to may help you understand why that is.
Again!

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IamJoseph
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Message 299 of 301 (467655)
05-23-2008 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 298 by bluegenes
05-23-2008 3:16 AM


Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME - PLENTY!
Don't fret - you seem to be the one not understanding 101 english, and you seem to identify with such symptoms.
I have understood 'EVERYTHING' argued and responded - english comperhension is not the issue.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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bluegenes
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Message 300 of 301 (467662)
05-23-2008 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by IamJoseph
05-23-2008 4:06 AM


Re: WHAT'S IN A NAME - PLENTY!
IaJ writes:
I have understood 'EVERYTHING' argued and responded -
You usually understand what others write, in a sense, but that is not the point of the paper.
quote:
Results
Schizophrenia patients exhibit impairment in the recognition of incorrect, but not correct, linguistic stimuli at all but the sublexical level of language processing. The patients were not impaired in the recognition of nonlinguistic stimuli.
Conclusion
This language-specific differential impairment could explain speech abnormalities in schizophrenia. The nonrecognition of incorrect linguistic information would prevent patients from correcting the abnormal speech they may occasionally produce. A model of decreased power of linguistic computations (reduced number of operations) adequately accounts for this differential impairment.
I mention this because you have other symptoms of schizophrenia. It's not just the inability to perceive your own chronic linguistic errors.

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