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sidelined
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Message 61 of 62 (60051)
10-08-2003 3:58 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by doyle
10-08-2003 2:53 AM


Doyle I do agree with you on this issue of dysfunction in family. What steps can a justice system take in order to address the obviously more efficient use of limited resources that would occur by taking aim at the factors that influence dysfunction in the first place?
I,as a human being,understand that inequities in social status and material goods influence the behavioural aspect of humans as it relates to their willingness to participate in maintaining order through laws.
Since it is the better of choices not to have government dictate the economy of a nation and the means of dispersal of wealth perhaps it should fall to the responsibility of the individual person to change our attitudes as a society in how we define successful living.I grew up through some of the greatest expansion of wealth creation that the planet has yet experienced.I am no more happy when making large sums of money than when I am not and ,yet,there is all the "background noise " that pervades our society in the form of marketing of products. If you don't have this how can you be happy recognised admired healthy etc.Damn, we have become what we hate haven't we?
I read recently that,in order for all the people of Earth to live at the standard of living currently available in the United States we would require 6 more planets.I find that a frightening statistic.
Living a full life,for me, no longer means going full bore, chasing I know not what.It took me 45 years to see that the journey is the thing ,not the destination.If we cannot slow the pace of life to where we can actually live it will only continue to go faster and criminal behavior IMO will only increase through the need to survive.
I hope I can instill a sense of calm in my children before they are forced into situations where they cannot make an honest decision.

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Message 62 of 62 (60219)
10-09-2003 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by sidelined
10-08-2003 3:58 AM


I raised three daughters who are all grown now with children of their own.Being a Atheist,religion played no part in their up bringing except for an occasional wedding or funeral.At that time I was working for Lockheed Martin and makeing damn good money.I could have bought the fancy house in the suburbs with all the trimmings but I chose to live in the much cheaper single wide trailer on a half a acre lot.With the extra money at my disposal I bought four wheelers,camping equipment,a trailer to haul the four wheelers and the truck to pull it all.Except for the cold winter months we were up in the mountains on camping trips every other weekend.I give credit to this quality time spent in the Appalachians for their being law abideing,tax paying citizens and damn good mothers to my 7 grandchildren.They grew up knowing they were loved and developed a respect for themselves which spilled over into respect for others.I think the biggest trap parents get caught in is the competition to keep up with the Joneses.The quest for the finer things in life.Though it may be unintentional,quality time with the kids begins to take second place to paying for the trinkets.As a Atheist I do not believe in the Biblical Soul.I view my children as my soul because it is through them that my genes are passed on and survive.From my childhood Christian indoctrination I can recall a verse in the Bible that says,"What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loose his own soul".Lets face it,these students that take an assault rifle and take out the student body are not poor kids from the other side of the tracks.They are Latch Key kids with all the trinkets.

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