Free will but how free really?

What would be an example of such a system?

How could Free Will not have any associated variables, when free will is supposedly the product of our brains, and all the processes in our brains are essentially variables?

Thanks for the link. I think somebody is trying to save our perception of reality from crumbling to dust(unsuccessfully so far).How could Free Will not have any associated variables, when free will is supposedly the product of our brains, and all the processes in our brains are essentially variables? Are you inferring God/super power/Unknown entity?What would be an example of such a system? {Chaos} Why wouldn't weather be 100% predictable if we knew ALL the forces and variables at play?I had a great pleasure talking to you but have to run now. I'll be back in a fews hours.
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As i've said earlier we know too little about the quantum world yet. You could be right in your assumptions but you could well be wrong. It could be our inadequate understanding of the quantum world that's hindering us from being able to apply the cause and effect principle with 100% certyainity on the quantum world.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

This discussion is fascinating but is starting to go beyond the capabilities of regular non-physicist folks like me. Having to sift through an endless amount of incomprehensible quantum mechanics maths in a language that's not my native one, is rather discouraging.
Anyway, i feel that if we have to continue from here we are going to need some help from Cavediver or San Goku(Sp?).We have seen how chaos is defined in classical mechanics. Can chaos also be defined in quantum mechanics? If so, how? Is there a connection between the uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics and chaos and if there is, how are they related? Doesn't chaos arise in a classical, nonquantum world on macroscopic phenomena?
Will the uncertanty principle hold in the future when we will likely have a much more sophisticated and accurate measurements of quantum events than the ones of today? Is there "true, uncaused" chaos in quantum mechanics(I don't really expect anyone to know that with great certainty)? If some of these questions are currently impossible to answer, is an eventual Theory of Everything going to solve them?
What is causing the phenomenon that prevents us from knowing with high accuracy both the position and the momentum of an electron? (kidding, kidding, haha... )PS. There is something about matter that seems to contradict reality(maybe it's my ignorance) but i will not post it here to avoid going in multiple offtopics.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

You don't really have to attempt to explain what's causing the Uncertainty Principle. That's why i said kidding, kidding... haha after the question.
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It basically boils down to an almost religious question. Is it possible for an uncaused event to exist? We generally expect things to follow the cause/effect logic, but for the concept of true random and chaos to exist, it would have to break that logic.
But things seem to follow (based on past history and science) that things are random until proven otherwise. We use probability to estimate something unknown, or not-easily measurable at the given time, without given instrumentation.
Is it impossible to measure a photon's position without changing its future path? I'm pretty sure it is right now but would you go so far as to say it's impossible at all in any length of time?And if we cannot determine a cause for the uncertainty principle it may seem to act in random, but once we figure out the cause, it is no longer random.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

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