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Author Topic:   Socialism is legalized theft.
NosyNed
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Message 45 of 54 (38155)
04-27-2003 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by emo star
04-25-2003 4:10 PM


Self Serving
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i am here to serve myself and not the state.
You forget that the "state" is, today, the society in which you are imbedded and supported. Humans are social animals and do not survive under any circumstance on their own.
You depend on that socity for your existance and if you forget that and allow it to disintegrate you will find out just how dependent you are.
Our ability to understand and live within our societies came into being with groups in the 10's of individuals. It is a struggle to make that work when the numbers are a million times greater. However, we need to learn our to do that.
There are two classes of reasons for not just serving yourself:
1) selfish
you need to allow other individuals to be successful enough in your society to keep it working for your own benefit.
2) moral
one measure of the success of a society is how much extra capacity it has and how it uses that. The US is successful on an extra capacity basis. Other societies are successful enough to produce extra capacity and moral enough to use them well for the society as a whole. The failure of the US society is in the use of the extra capacity and that is why it is not the "best" society in the world today.
One could argue that even the second, apparently altruistic reason is also selfish. And that argument has been put forward here. A society that has no spare capacity is in danger of collapse. A society that uses the spare capacity poorly is also in danger of collapse.
You seem to think that striving within the rules of the society that you would like is the only way of being successful. Push enough people far enough and they will find another way of being successful.

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