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deerbreh
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Message 31 of 36 (472747)
06-24-2008 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by NosyNed
03-09-2004 12:52 AM


Re: An interesting experiment
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It should be possible to find wood from an independently dated whore house and church. We could, for example, do a tree ring comparison on the timbers and corroborate this with the historical dates of construction of the buildings.
You didn't say, but is your assumption that more sinning is taking place in the cat house than the church? Most people would, anyway. I am going to take the contrarian view. I do not have personal experience with whore houses but I do have lots of experiences with churches and my observation is that a LOT of sinning goes on there.
Try gossiping, back biting, abuse of power, and lying among others.
My suspicion is that in fact, the your average whore house is less sinful than your average church, all things equal.

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SqU1r3
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Message 32 of 36 (472774)
06-24-2008 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by AnswersInGenitals
06-15-2008 5:42 PM


Re: Bastions of Satanism!
Although YOU may be sarcastic here,
There is a strong case for the authenticity of the Shroud...
Even after hundreds tests, no-one has devised a plausible theory for the image's creation.
Here is Dr. Grant R. Jeffery's view on the Shroud of Turin's authenticity and subsequently his opinion on the likelihood of a medieval forger: [qs]Some unrecognised, fourteenth century artist genius, using unknown but astonishingly advanced techniques, created a work of art that reveals knowledge of remarkably accurate medical details about a crucified body that no one else in the medieval period apparently knew. The artist somehow would have to obtain herbs and microscopic grains of pollen from dozens of species of plants that only grow in Israel and around Jerusalem to place on the Shroud cloth, despite the fact that no one would be able to see the evidence that indicates an Israeli origin. He somehow creates the world's first and only negative artistic image that will not be revealed until centuries later. In addition, he would have had to obtain an almost invisible amount of limestone dirt from the Jerusalem area and two ancient Palestinian coins minted by Pontius Pilate, even though no one would discover the photographic technique to verify their existence for six more centuries. If some artist forged the image on the Shroud, he did it in such a manner that the most extensive scientific examination of an ancient artefact in history has failed to determine how he did it.[\qs]
This is part of his conclusion, the rest can be read in his book:
'Jesus: The Great Debate'
Copyright(c)1999 by Dr. Grant R. Jeffery
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ramoss
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Message 33 of 36 (472804)
06-24-2008 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by SqU1r3
06-24-2008 4:51 PM


Re: Bastions of Satanism!
Actually, the shrouds image is not a very big mystery at all. It actually is more likely to show it being a fake than not.
For example, it does not show the distortion that a 3-D image would make. It can be reproduced easily by taking a 2-d wood carving, placing
a cloth over it, and then brushing the highlights.
Of course, the biggest thing about the shroud of Turin being fake is how the shroud does not match how people were buried in the 1st century, but rather how people were wrapped up starting in medieval times. That, and the testimony of the Bishop who aquired it to begin with.
It also contradicts the bible. The weave of the cloth does not match how they made cloth in the 1st century. The 'blood' had no matting, and it has not properties of blood. There is no trace of the 100 pounds of spices that the Gospel of John claims he was buried with.
That is above and beyond the C-14 dating.
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deerbreh
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Message 34 of 36 (473501)
06-30-2008 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by randman
06-25-2005 2:43 AM


Re: looking for heaven
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But it would probably be useless for scientists because, by and large, the scientific community is predisposed to reject such things out of hand, and would probably not allow any such studies to be published in their journals.
A convenient self serving little rationalization for creationists but a common misunderstanding of the scientific process. Science is based on the notion of FALSIFICATION - in other words, before ANY scientific claim is accepted, it must be shown to be falsifiable and then the data must in fact be consistent with the claim. And if a claim is not falsifiable - well then it is not a scientific claim and any studies regarding that claim are therefore not scientific studies and do not belong in a scientific journal. What part of "it is not science" do you not understand?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 35 of 36 (473517)
06-30-2008 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by SqU1r3
06-24-2008 4:51 PM


Re: Bastions of Satanism!
A little off-topic from dating, but one thing that casts doubt on the shroud to my mind is that it shows the conventional long-haired hippy Jesus of medieval iconography.
But St Paul wrote (1 Corinthians 11:14):
Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him.
He would hardly have written that if Jesus had long hair as depicted on the Shroud.
Also, the face looks too old, to my eyes anyway. Traditionally, Jesus was 33 at the time of the Crucifixion; but if we ignore that and put his birth as early as possible (4 BC) and his trial under Pilate as late as possible (36 AD) that still doesn't make him as old as the guy on the Shroud looks.

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ralphperry 
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Message 36 of 36 (544755)
01-28-2010 6:26 AM


Carbon 14 dating depends on the amount of carbon 14 on the athmosphere along time. Dating is based on the assumption that the amount of carbon 14 isotope in athmosphere was fairly constant along time. Is it a solid assumption? What evidence is there on that? Someone knows?
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