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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
All data on 14C are based on the assumption, that Pompeii were lost in 79 year.
There are facts, that the city was lost on December, 16th, 1631. What is correctly? On the Via Nazionale road from Naples to Reggio/Calabria, at 15 km, a so-called "Epitaphio" on the face of the Villa Faraone Mennella today presents two memorial inscriptions in Latin on a monumental volcanic stone. "This road from Naples to Reggio [i.e. the Royal City], infamous for continuous robberies [raids] and difficult transit on account of the arid stones of Mount Vesuvius, has been freed from ambush, levelled, straightened and broadened, by means of the funds given by the Province.Later 68 years in 17 Calend. (on December, 16th) January in Phillip's reign IV. Smoke, flame, roaring, shaking, ashes, eruption awfully wild at that time Vesuvius has obviously caused fear in one, and at weight of people. The heated heat from an aperture of the fiery cave, violently loudly roaring, has opened the way through constraining surface to an output, has moved to Hellespont, has furiously destroyed top of mountain, monstrously suddenly widely having opened a pharynx of mountain, next day a tail of ashes was dragged all filling similarly to the sea hostile to the sea. The river of the sulfur, burning bitumen, fetid stones, the various deformed metal ores, a mix of water and fire, moving an avalanche, a smoke, ashes, disastrous sewage have unloaded a ridge of mountain. Pompeii, Herculaneum, Octavianum, partially Retina and Portici, woods and country houses, and houses has in a flash scattered, has burnt, has destroyed, (stream) bearing all this before itself, as extraction in mad devastating triumph. Marble monuments have disappeared actually also, are deeply buried, the inquiring monument of Vice-king has really been destroyed. Emmanuel Fonseca and Zunica.As memory of the sizes of human disaster, as well about the accepted measures on clearing of a stone rain and rescue completely each of our fellow tribesmen. Year of Redemption 1634. Prefect of road of Antonio Suares Messia." Torreomnia on Vesuvius Edited by elcano, : No reason given. Edited by elcano, : No reason given. Edited by elcano, : No reason given. Edited by AdminNosy, : shorten links
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2554 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
Welcome elcano,
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
All data on 14C are based on the assumption, that Pompeii were lost in 79 year.
There are facts, that the city was lost on December, 16th, 1631. What is correctly?
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2554 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
You didn't mention this at all in your opening post.
If you want to discuss carbon dating maybe you could write a post that offers your hypothesis along with the facts you claim exist. Your facts should be easily accessible to the forum (in English if possible). AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
Calibration of radiometric methods is spent on known historical dates. But there are facts confirming, that the date of destruction accepted today Pompeii not correct. One of the facts also is resulted by me.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1657 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
All data on 14C are based on the assumption, that Pompeii were lost in 79 year. Absolutely false. The current calibration curve for carbon-14 dating is discussed in detail at INTCAL04 TERRESTRIAL RADIOCARBON AGE CALIBRATION, 0-26 CAL KYR BP Please read the article and cite any reference to vesuvius. Carbon-14 dating is based on the radioactive decay of the atmospheric carbon-14 atoms taken up by living organisms while they were growing. Calibrations and verifications of the method are based on many sources, and the overall correlations are discussed in the above paper. Historical documents that are not exact on date are not good enough for this work, it is based on systems that produce known dates, such as annual tree-rings and the like. What you have is a fantasy. Whether you are open to being wrong is up to you, but I note:
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
for Wepwawet
If Pompeii were destroyed in 79 year why the city is resulted on maps tabula Peutingeriana (the fourth century), Ambrogio Leone's De Nola (1514), John Adams Library Ortelius (1570). http://memory.loc.gov/ Edited by AdminAsgara, : changed long url to fix page width Edited by AdminNosy, : shorten links
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
For all archeological finds dated by time till 15 centuries, relative chronological scale is constructed on the assumption, that Pompeii was destroyed in 79 year. Measurements with use 14C are confirmed with these data +-100 years. However Pompeii were destroyed on December, 16th, 1631 (the inscription on a monument gives such date) and all relative chronologically a scale it is necessary to lead to this date. It is 17 century and a method 14C in this interval simply does not work.
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Percy Member Posts: 22940 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
Hi Elcano,
The remains of the ancient city of Pompeii were first discovered in 1592 by Domenico Fontana while constructing a water works project. This was several decades before the 1631 eruption. Modern excavations reveal the public buildings to be of 1st century Roman architecture, and temples of Apollo, Venus, Zeus and Isis have been found. The written language of inscriptions on buildings and monuments and preserved in wax tablets and graffiti is Latin. Pottery, tableware, etc., is consistent with 1st century Roman styles. There is nothing consistent with 17th century Italy. --Percy
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CK Member (Idle past 4379 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
You might want read the following:
Pompeii - Wikipedia I have no idea why you think Pompeii were destroyed on December, 16th, 1631. Do you have a source for such a claim? Do you think people were having a giant fancy dress party or something?
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
There is a monument in Torre del Greco where date of destruction Pompeii is resulted.
Toremnia on Vesuvius We have the following message.Luce iam sexta decimal Decembris; Sexdecim seclis pariter peractis: Atque sex lustris prope iam voluto Mensibus anno. Saxa ructantem glomerata flammis; Igne combustos cineres Veseuum Vidimus, circum penitus ruentem Ruraque, Villas. Igneus Naphthae fluuius recursat; Vnde Pompeios Populos, & agros Funditos vastat, ruit Herculanum, Et pecus omne. Motibus diris tremuere turres, Ictibus crebris quatiuntur aedes; Et cauernoso resonat boatu Vesubius ore. Giuliani Gianbernardino, 1632, Trattato del Monte Vesuvio e de' suoi incendi, Napoli - p.181 http://mdz1.bib-bvb.de/... Date can be understood without text translation. The lost cities are mentioned. Edited by AdminAsgara, : fixed url length to fix page width Edited by AdminNosy, : shorten link
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dwise1 Member Posts: 6076 Joined: Member Rating: 7.2 |
elcano writes: However Pompeii were destroyed on December, 16th, 1631 (the inscription on a monument gives such date) Please refer us to something that will tell us something about that monument and the complete text of what's written on it.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
Yes there is channel Domenico Fontana (underground pass in length 1764 m. passing through all city) but why this gallery is under a surface of the dug out city. Possibly Domenico Fontana has lead the channel through alive city and has found the rests of more ancient Pompeii. The channel passes under the temples mentioned by you.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4504 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
The text from book Misson
VIII.& LX. post annos XVII. Calend. Januaris, Philippo IV. Rege; fumo (‘); flames, boatu(), concussu(), cinere (‘‘), irruptione, horrificus si unquam Vesuvius, nec nomen, nec faces tanti Viri extiruit. Quippe exardescente cuuis specubus igne; ignites, furens; irrugie; exitum eluctans coercitus aer, disjecto violenter Montis culmine, immani erupit hiatus postridie, ejaculatus trans Hellespontum cinerem, pone trahens ad explendam viam Pelagus, immite Pelagus, fluvios sulphureos flammatum bitumen, faetas alumina cautes, informe cujusque, metallic rudus, mixtum aquarum voluminibus ignem, ferventemque undante fumo cinerem, seseque, funestamque colluviem jugo Montis exonerans; Pompeios, Herculanum, Octavianum, perstrictis Reatina(m) & Portici, Sylvasque, Villasque, Aedesque momento stravit, ussit (‘), diruit (‘‘ ); luctuosam prae se praedam agens, vastumque triumphum. Perierat hoc quoque Marmar alte sepultum, consultissimi Monumentum Proregis. Ne peraetat, Emmanuel Fonseca & Zunica Com. Mont. Reg. Pror. Qua(m) animi magnitudine publicae calamitati ea private consuluit, extractum funditus gentiles sui lapidem. Coelo restituit, viam restauravit, fumante adhuc & indignante Vesevo.An. Sal. (I) I)C. XXXIV. Praefecto viarum Antonio Suarez Messia March vici K IIJ Auteur(s) : Misson, Maximilien (1650?-1722)Titre(s) : Voyage d'Italie [Texte imprime] : ed. augm. de remarques nouvelles et interessantes / par Maximilien Misson Publication : Amsterdam : Clousier, 1743 "Voyages en Italie" - Gallica
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