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ThermodynamicLawBreaker
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Message 1 of 40 (139947)
09-04-2004 8:30 PM


The first law of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed from 1 form to another. But then how does energy exist if it cannot be created.

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Brian
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Message 2 of 40 (139953)
09-04-2004 8:46 PM
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09-04-2004 8:30 PM


Hi,
But then how does energy exist if it cannot be created.
What makes you think that it has to be created?
Where did you get this definition from?
This message has been edited by Brian, 09-04-2004 07:52 PM

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ThermodynamicLawBreaker
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Message 3 of 40 (139958)
09-04-2004 9:00 PM


well for something to exist it must of been created

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Brian
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Message 4 of 40 (139961)
09-04-2004 9:01 PM
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09-04-2004 9:00 PM


How do you come to this conclusion?

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ThermodynamicLawBreaker
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Message 5 of 40 (139963)
09-04-2004 9:04 PM


how can something exist without ever beig created

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Brian
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Message 6 of 40 (139967)
09-04-2004 9:08 PM
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09-04-2004 9:04 PM


This is a question, not an answer.
Can you answer my question please?
Also, are you positive that this is the first law?
Brian.

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ThermodynamicLawBreaker
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Message 7 of 40 (139968)
09-04-2004 9:10 PM


in answer to your question i think that befor something can exist it has to be created. and yes i am 1000% sure this is the 1st law

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Brian
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Message 8 of 40 (139971)
09-04-2004 9:13 PM
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09-04-2004 9:10 PM


in answer to your question i think that befor something can exist it has to be created
This still isn't an answer, this is just your opinion.
What is it that makes you *think* something has to be created before it exists, you must have some explanation other than 'I think'?

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lfen
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Message 9 of 40 (139973)
09-04-2004 9:18 PM
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09-04-2004 9:10 PM


the total energy of the system plus the surroundings is constant. That's the First Law of Thermodynamics. The First Law is also stated as energy is conserved.
http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/...sauer/outline/firstlaw.html
What is created?
lfen

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ThermodynamicLawBreaker
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Message 10 of 40 (139977)
09-04-2004 9:21 PM


im asking you a question then. how does something exist when it hasn't been created?

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Brian
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Message 11 of 40 (139981)
09-04-2004 9:28 PM
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09-04-2004 9:21 PM


In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about?

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ThermodynamicLawBreaker
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Message 12 of 40 (139983)
09-04-2004 9:30 PM


if you think ure so smart then what exsists before it is created

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Message 13 of 40 (139987)
09-04-2004 9:32 PM


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Brian
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Message 14 of 40 (139991)
09-04-2004 9:38 PM
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09-04-2004 9:30 PM


Hey, it is your claim, explain how you come to your conclusion, surely you have a reason or two ?
if you think ure so smart
I never claimed to be smart, I only asked how you arrive at your conclusion and it appears that you do not know!
I know how I arrive at conclusions. But I am not a scientist, so could you explain, in layman's terms, why something has to be created in order to exist?
then what exsists before it is created
I'll have a guess at God, am I right?
Brian.

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lfen
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Message 15 of 40 (139992)
09-04-2004 9:40 PM
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09-04-2004 9:30 PM


if you think ure so smart then what exsists before it is created
Seeing as how you're so smart, I'd like you to answer 3 questions for me.
1. What does the first law of thermodynamics state?
2. What does "created" mean?
3. How do you spell the contraction of "you are"?
lfen

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