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Author Topic:   Dover science teachers refuse to read ID disclaimer
NosyNed
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Message 25 of 164 (176643)
01-13-2005 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Percy
01-13-2005 4:26 PM


Level of Confidence
A theory is tentative and malleable. A theory is intended to be a reflection of the evidence it attempts to explain, and as more and more evidence is gathered the theory is modified to accommodate it.
All well and good. However, while discussing tentativeness we should not forget that the degree of tentativeness goes down as more and more evidence is accumlated.
After a time the theory becomes so very accepted that the layman's termed like "truth" and "proven" are close enough to the actual view held by the experts in the field.
There is a wide range of confidence in various scientific models. Some are held with a very, very high degeree of confidence indeed. the ToE is one of those.
We have also neglected to point out to Cosmo that aside from the issues about how evolution happened (the theory part) the fact that it has happened is still there.
We each choose to accept somethings as being a 'good enough' bet as being correct. The level of 'good enough' varies with the individual and the particular case. Almost all those who know anything at all about the facts of the matter would say that betting on the ToE is very, very good bet indeed.

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Message 80 of 164 (199390)
04-14-2005 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Syamsu
04-14-2005 1:23 PM


What they don't want to learn?
It's not about subsidizing education for all, it's about forcing people to learn what they don't want, and not providing what they do want.
Well, my daughter doesn't like math. Do we let anyone who doesn't like math skip that?
It would be nice to have more room to teach even more than is taught. However, leaving out the basic concepts of important areas of leaning would be an abrogation of the responsibility of the state to it's citizens.

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Message 156 of 164 (283112)
02-01-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Brad McFall
02-01-2006 7:34 AM


ICR Careless Quoting
quote:
After a searching review of the record and applicable caselaw, we find that while ID arguments may be true, a proposition on which the Court takes no position, ID is not science.
This is the actual sentence that ICR seems to have elided. The missing phrase gives a much different feeling to the sentence.
Thank you for another example of dishonest practices of ICR.
The claim by ICR that ID proponents are not creationists because some are not does not apply in this case where it is very clear that the subset involved in Dover are creationists.
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Message 163 of 164 (369513)
12-13-2006 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by Chiroptera
12-13-2006 7:54 AM


Spin off a new topic?
Guys, I think this is moving too far from the original topic. Could someone spin off a topic? It could go in this forum or in the coffee house I think.

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