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Author Topic:   Dover science teachers refuse to read ID disclaimer
berberry
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Message 68 of 164 (187408)
02-22-2005 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Coragyps
02-21-2005 9:21 PM


Re: The Students Speak Out
I found Ashley Love's plea to Stop The Learning! to be particularly moving:
If people are so worried about creationism being taught and do not want it in there, then evolution should not be taught as well. People are forgetting that there are people who do not like the idea of evolution either. If it is such a problem, then drop both from the curriculum. Everyone wins. Everyone is happy. That will keep it fair.

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berberry
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Message 71 of 164 (187694)
02-23-2005 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Brad McFall
02-15-2005 4:20 PM


Re: Who writes this stuff?
Brad McFall writes:
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...my mother, being "religously motivated" is the reason that the stickers were needed.
How so? She isn't a high school student so she isn't the target of the stickers. She seems to agree with the Pope, that Christianity and evolution are not in conflict. How do you get from that fact to the presumed need for these stickers?
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But removing the stickers or not reading the ID document and not talking about it can not be the answer as long as middle america still is able to raise good citizens no matter what the "dose" is.
Removing the stickers and not reading the ID document are precisely the answer, Brad, because this whole effort is nothing but an attempt to teach about God in science classrooms. God is a supernatural entity, he cannot be studied empirically.
There's nothing wrong with teaching about God in schools. Of course, everyone's rights must be respected and that means that no particular view of God can be advanced by the schools or the teachers, but there's nothing preventing them from teaching kids about widely held beliefs. However, for the same reason you don't teach about Mozart in spelling class you don't teach about God in science class.

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berberry
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Message 73 of 164 (187803)
02-23-2005 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Brad McFall
02-23-2005 12:39 PM


Re: Who writes this stuff?
Brad, doesn't your mother agree with the pope that there needn't be a conflict between Christianity and evolution? If so, why would she favor these stickers? You say that the quote she highlighted verifies her "progressive evolutionist BELIEF". I would argue that it isn't a belief at all, but rather an acceptance. Of course neither she nor you nor any of your siblings should be "sequestered in society" regardless of what beliefs or convictions any of you may hold.
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...I do agree it would be a mistake to legislate in current schools NO TALKING about ID Ev etc...
Absolutely! I think it would be a mistake to pass legislation ruling out any sort of discussion in school. What I am opposed to at present is legislating a requirement that ideas which have nothing to do with science should be discussed in science classrooms.

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