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Gary
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Message 31 of 108 (285883)
02-11-2006 6:37 PM
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02-11-2006 4:31 PM


The link talks about that very subject. They claim to have used a CT scanner on it, and they have pictures that the CT scanner took, but for the life of me I can't decipher them in such a way as to reach the same conclusions they did. They say that the shape of the depression indicates it was made by someone walking. I think that the picture I can understand on their CT collage shows a very unnatural footprint.
There is also a "layer of sediment" on top of the footprint, which could be ordinary cement. This may have been added to cover up chisel marks.

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arachnophilia
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Message 32 of 108 (285953)
02-12-2006 10:10 AM
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02-11-2006 4:31 PM


All you'd have to do is cut a cross-sectional view of the 'footprints' and see if the sediment is depressed beneath it. But I'm sure we wouldn't want to destroy such important evidence of creation.
the folks over at bible.ca sectioned this laughable print to demonstrate the depressed sediment algae. talkorigins disagrees.


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Message 33 of 108 (285955)
02-12-2006 10:30 AM
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02-11-2006 12:21 AM


Re: Footprint looks fake to me
You can also compare the footprints to the ones at Laetoli:
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/laetoli.htm
Roughly three and three-quarter million years ago, a volcano erupted in what is now northern Tanzania, blanketing the landscape with volcanic ash. Rain fell, causing the ashy surface to take on the properties of plaster, and across this ground numerous animals walked, leaving their footprints in the wet volcanic ash to be preserved as it turned into a hard cement. One of the creatures that passed across this landscape 3.6 million years ago was a member of the early human species Australopithecus afarensis. In fact, at least two individuals were present, walking along side each other.
The importance of the fossil footprints at Laetoli cannot be overstated. They demonstrate incontrovertibly that 3.6 million years ago, early humans were bipedal (walking upright on two legs). Their big toes hardly diverged from the rest of the foot, this can be seen in the photograph at the top right of the imprint. In comparison, a chimpanzee has a highly diverged big toe, and is able to use it like a thumb. Additionally, it is pssoible to tell that the gait of these early humans was "heel-strike" (the heel of the foot hit first) followed by "toe-off" (the toes push off at the end of the stride); the way modern humans walk.
(typo in the original)
Also note: "The photograph of the Laetoli footprint has been provided to the Smithsonian Institution by John Reader, and is used here with his consent. Please note that this image is the copyrighted material of Mr. Reader, and cannot be used or reproduced without his consent."
So you will need to go to the link to see the photo.
This footprint - and all the others in the tracks made by these two individuals show these characteristic impressions, rather than the "flat" footprint in the "museum"
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roxrkool
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Message 34 of 108 (286046)
02-12-2006 10:23 PM
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02-11-2006 6:37 PM


I saw those and I don't see anything, either. Are the three images supposed to be cross-sections?
And I don't see any displaced mud for a print that went 3/4 of an inch into the sediment. Mud displaces easily, but sand does not (like on a beach), does anyone know what the lithology of the rock is?

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Message 35 of 108 (286052)
02-12-2006 10:58 PM
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02-12-2006 10:23 PM


does anyone know what the lithology of the rock is?
On down the bible.ca page it says it's a limestone, specifically a stromatolite. Now I've never been to Shark Bay to see one, but I sort of thought that stromatolites were a little to rigid to leave 3/4 inch deep footprints in - a pond-bottom carbonate ooze might be that mushy, but a stromatolite? Huh?
Or do I even have the right track?
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roxrkool
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Message 36 of 108 (286065)
02-13-2006 2:21 AM
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02-12-2006 10:58 PM


I think that's the Burdick track (arach's link), which explains the unusual texture visible in the cross-sections. Still, I didn't see anything I would call obvious evidence for depression. The color was different, but the texture of the rock itself does not seem to indicate depression.
I've never seen a stromatolite either, so I don't know how hard they are.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 37 of 108 (294618)
03-12-2006 5:43 PM


Hey dudes.
I've been to Paluxy Texas where the "human and dino" tracks where said to be. I went to a dinosaur museum down there and they walked us to the river and showed us the dinosaur footprints under the water (the water was low at that time)It's amazig how footprints that where made so long ago survived such a long time. But I didn't see any "human" tracks there. Then again, we didn't go to a Creationism museum there (I think it is run by Carl Baugh?)
The human tracks where proven to be dinosaur tracks. Ralph O. Muncaster, an Old Earth Creationist, admitted to this in his small book "Dinosaurs and the Bible" Page 19.
it is shown by fossil evidence that dinosaurs "took a dirt nap" 65 million years ago. But then again there where massive non-dinosaur reptiles around when people where roaming Earth, such as the giant ripper Lizard "Megalania" (see "Land of Lost Monsters" by Ted Oakes, page 60-61) and of course there are your 20-feet long saltwater Crocs and Komodo Dragons that are still around today.
Unless some good ol' Texas boy fills a dinosaur Bambi with buckshot and stuffs it's head on a wall (I was born and raised in Texas ) I think it would be quite unlikely (though not impossible) that dinosaurs and man coexisted.
It would have been cool though if we did.

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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Chiroptera
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Message 38 of 108 (294623)
03-12-2006 5:49 PM
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03-12-2006 5:43 PM


quote:
Unless some good ol' Texas boy fills a dinosaur Bambi with buckshot and stuffs it's head on a wall (I was born and raised in Texas) I think it would be quite unlikely (though not impossible) that dinosaurs and man coexisted.
And even if that does happen, someone would still have to explain the relevance to the question of the validity of the theory of evolution.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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LudoRephaim
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Message 39 of 108 (294640)
03-12-2006 6:38 PM


Evolution smchevolution, I want My Dino trophy LOL
There are several forums on this site about if the Behemoth of Job 40 was a dinosaur or not. I was going to overload one of them with with a bunch of info that went against both sides, but I might do it later. Based on both Biblical evidence and fossil evidence, it is not likely to have been a dinosaur, though not impossible. If you want the info, let me know.
Peace

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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arachnophilia
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Message 40 of 108 (294716)
03-12-2006 9:41 PM
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03-12-2006 6:38 PM


feel free to post anything you've got in the appropriate thread (this one may or may not be appropriate, but you should probably bump one of the old ones).
i think that my reading is farily accurate, but i'm open to new information.


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LudoRephaim
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Message 41 of 108 (294728)
03-12-2006 10:15 PM
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03-12-2006 9:41 PM


Hey there
I will later try to find the appropriate thread for the info. It could be tommorrow, or maybe tonight. we'll see.
BTW: I think I read on one of your posts that you are studying Hebrew at college or a university. If you are, is it modern, Classical, or Paleo-Hebrew that you are studying?

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arachnophilia
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Message 42 of 108 (294735)
03-12-2006 10:33 PM
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03-12-2006 10:15 PM


modern, but it's suprisingly insightful, even with what little i've learned. for instance, knowing a bit of grammar tends to completely destroy a lot of "i found a copy of strong's concordance" type arguments.


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LudoRephaim
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Message 43 of 108 (294987)
03-13-2006 6:05 PM
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03-12-2006 10:33 PM


Strong's Comcordance. He he I have one of those.
I just did my discourse, so go see (I did use the strongs concordance, but it is not the onely one I used...)
I will do my rebuttal to YECs another day, but the first part is done. Enjoy

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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knitrofreak
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Message 44 of 108 (295799)
03-16-2006 12:47 AM


on the creation side...
God created every kind of all the animals at one time, also humans were created then too. So according to the Bible I believe that Adam and Eve and others walked with the dinosaurs. My thought on how they became extinct is when the flood happened.

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Message 45 of 108 (295800)
03-16-2006 12:51 AM
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Need a decision from you.
It looks like you have two registrations. Should we delete the one you haven't used or merge it in with this one?

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