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bluescat48
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Message 112 of 331 (566546)
06-25-2010 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by JRTjr
06-25-2010 2:27 AM


According to the ‘First Amendment’ to the ‘Constitution of the United States of America’ the Government cannot make laws that prohibit, forbid, ban, bar, exclude, make illegal, proscribe, or disallow the free exercise of religion
Which means that no one can do this. The free exercise of religion A in no way can interfere with the free exercise of religion B. That is the Gist of the statement freedom of religion is also freedom from religion.
The banning of religious symbols is just that, freedom of religion.
Edited by bluescat48, : No reason given.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 123 of 331 (567601)
07-01-2010 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by JRTjr
07-01-2010 8:57 PM


Re: Banning religious symbols is freedom of religion?
I’ll close with this question: How does a Bible, sitting in a display case, in front of a court house prohibit the free exercise of an atheist’s religion?; Or a Muslim?; Or Buddhist?
A Bible doesn't whereas the "10 Commandments" would, as would a menorah, a creche. The Bible wouldn't , nor would a Koran or the Rig Veda or the Illiad. These are not religious symbols but reference works. As for "God save the United States and this Honorable Court,
This does not state any god in particular. If it stated Yahveh or Allah or Zeus, etc. I would complain. The fact that they acknowledge "god" is their right. as long as they are not specific that "god"is any particular religious faith's "god."

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 155 of 331 (572922)
08-08-2010 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by JRTjr
08-08-2010 4:26 PM


Re: Banning religious symbols is freedom of religion?
O.K., Please, explain to me in what way does ‘a Bible, sitting in a display case, in front of a court house’ violate the First Amendment?
Basically it is making a law respecting an establishment of religion.
It would not if there were religious texts of all religions and lack of religion, not just one, ie it is giving a higher status to the Xtian religions than to Islam, Taoist, Shinto etc.
Edited by bluescat48, : clarity

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 160 of 331 (573277)
08-10-2010 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by JRTjr
08-10-2010 4:15 PM


Re: Banning religious symbols is freedom of religion?
So, the fervently healed belief that this universe is ‘all that there is’ can be defined as a ‘Religion’ and, of course, the name of that ‘Religion’ is ‘Atheism’.
I hope that clears it up for you.
So which of the three points is Atheism alleged to belong.
I got news for you, it is none of the above.
There is nothing in which all ateists adhere save for thre non-existance of sky daddies and other mythological creatures.
That does not fit with any of the above. Besides what else is there besides the universe. By definition, universe is everything.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 174 of 331 (576106)
08-22-2010 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 170 by JRTjr
08-22-2010 5:37 PM


Re: NOT founded for religious/Christian reasons
I have given evidence that our nation was founded by Christian for Christians; and the evidence I have given here is just the tip of the iceberg.
I went back and read every post you have posted in this thread and a I can't find one bit of evidence that this nation:
was founded by Christian for Christians
Nowhere does it mention the Christian God, simply God. That God can be a Deist God.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 197 of 331 (584346)
10-01-2010 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by JRTjr
09-30-2010 5:28 PM


Re: Banning religious symbols is freedom of religion?
By using your #6 def, Stamp collecting, devotion to a sports team, or the political parties are religions.
All you are doing is demeaning actually organized religions.
Edited by bluescat48, : added line

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 225 of 331 (588676)
10-27-2010 11:45 AM


Which religion's creation story should be taught?
Which religion's creation story should be taught?
In a science class, none!
In comparative religions class, all or at least all that the time will allow.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

  
bluescat48
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Message 254 of 331 (589704)
11-03-2010 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by NoNukes
11-03-2010 9:55 AM


Re: Federal Government document!?!?!?!?
Yes. The Dead Sea Scrolls include fragments of Genesis and commentary on Genesis.
All that is evidence of is what the writers believed, not evidence of anything real.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 268 of 331 (590330)
11-07-2010 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by JRTjr
11-07-2010 3:52 PM


Re: It is, but it isn’t !?!?!?
So, let me see if I understand what you're saying. I want to make absolutely certain I’m not putting words into your mouth.
You’re saying that the Government judiciary treats ‘atheism’ as a religion; and even though you agree with that; it, in no way, makes ‘atheism’ a ‘religion’?
You agree is should be treated as a religion; but not called a religion even though it fits the definition of a religion?
Have I got it right this time?
To clarify this use the idea of political parties.
In the US there are 2 major parties, the Democratic & Republican plus a number of smaller parties. There a re a number of voters who do not belong to any of the parties. They call themselves independent, but there is no Independent party. For statistical purposes the independents are considered a party. Otherwise, for statistical purposes a who block of voters could not be compared to the actual voters of the real parties. The same with religious beliefs, for anything requiring a religious belief, if Atheists weren't statistically listed a a religion it would do the same thing, omit a large number of people from the statistical lists. In regard to the first Amendment, if Atheism wasn't considered a religion there would be about 10% of the population would not covered. The point is simply, in reality Independent is not a political party any more than Atheism is a religion. But for statistical purposes they have to be listed to include all possibilities.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 326 of 331 (608786)
03-13-2011 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by JRTjr
03-13-2011 3:23 PM


Re: Show Me!
Lets just simplify the question. Can you give me any evidence that you are ancestrally related to any ape?
Well considering Humans are apes that would mean that all of my ancestors are/were apes. They were also Hominids, Primates, Mammals, Tetrapods, Amniotics, Vertabrates, Chorates, Deuterostomes, Animals, Eukaryotes, Life.
Edited by bluescat48, : stuck key

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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