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Matt Tucker
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Message 1 of 24 (71940)
12-09-2003 6:47 PM


hi, i'm new to the Forum, and i'm writing a paper critiquing evolution. If any creationists would care to provide relatively simple (i'm only 16) critiques, i would be grateful. It would be wonderful if you could mention my string to any very knowledgeable creationists on this site. Thanks!
Matt

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AdminAsgara
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Message 2 of 24 (71944)
12-09-2003 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Matt Tucker
12-09-2003 6:47 PM


Welcome to the forum Matt,
A site you might check out is http://www.trueorigin.org/ , though I would be remiss if I didn't also point you in the direction of a site that gives evidence FOR evolution and critiques many of the articles at the first link TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy .
Once again, welcome and feel free to jump into any thread with opinions and questions.
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Rei
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Message 3 of 24 (71950)
12-09-2003 7:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Matt Tucker
12-09-2003 6:47 PM


I would like to second the concept of visiting both trueorigins and talkorigins, if only so that you'll know what is a weak argument and what is a strong argument by how well they are refuted. If you only visit trueorigins.org, you may end up referencing out-of-date or inaccurate information and getting slammed for it.
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Chiroptera
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Message 4 of 24 (71952)
12-09-2003 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Matt Tucker
12-09-2003 6:47 PM


Yes, I will second Rei's suggestion. Whatever you find on TrueOrigins or AnswersInGenesis or where ever you get your "information" I would check out what TalkOrigins has to say about it - whatever you read on the creationist websites will probably have been refuted, er, discussed by scientists and an answer post on TalkOrigins.
For a quick one-stop list that may save some time in looking for refutations of the creationist arguments, the following link is a list of commonly heard arguments against the theory of evolution:
An Index to Creationist Claims

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sweetstuff383
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Message 5 of 24 (71954)
12-09-2003 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Matt Tucker
12-09-2003 6:47 PM


hey matt
Hi matt! i registered, and im gonna post a thing too. send me anything interesting you get, k? i'll do the same for you. i'll talk to you tomorrow. ~ash aka sweetstuff
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Loudmouth
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Message 6 of 24 (71958)
12-09-2003 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Matt Tucker
12-09-2003 6:47 PM


Hmm, first a debate and now a paper. Methinks term papers/projects are due next week. Anyway, the above sites are great. If you find a topic of interest you can do a search on this site. More often then not, we have beat every argument to death around here in one way or another which means pertinent web pages should be cited. Anyway, good luck on the paper and if you don't feel too self-conscious or aren't afraid of critiques yourself, you could even share it with the rest of us. I promise, our bark is worse than our bite.

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Quetzal
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Message 7 of 24 (72051)
12-10-2003 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Loudmouth
12-09-2003 7:50 PM


Hmm, first a debate and now a paper. Methinks term papers/projects are due next week.
'Tis the season. Ho Ho Ho, etc. All the schools are trying to get the little darlin's to complete assignments before winter break, when their collective brains turn to mush and it takes until March to get them back in trim.
SantaQuetzal

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Dan Carroll
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Message 8 of 24 (72053)
12-10-2003 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Loudmouth
12-09-2003 7:50 PM


quote:
Methinks term papers/projects are due next week.
Yeah, no kidding. My girlfriend's got finals this week, and it's no fun in the Carroll house.
For Matt Tucker: I'd reccomend you keep this site on standby, to recognize bad arguments when you come across them.

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k.kslick
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Message 9 of 24 (78764)
01-15-2004 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dan Carroll
12-10-2003 9:26 AM


ok...
Something you might want to remember about evolution. It completely rejects the Sencond Law Of Thermodynamics, which is basically all thing move from a state of order to disorder. Thats like having a tornado coming through a junkyard every second for a million years. You will NEVER get a F16. Since things go from a state of order to disorder, it will just tear appart the scraps, never cut and meld, make electronic parts, and motors. The ENTIRE EARTH is even less likely to happen!

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Asgara
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Message 10 of 24 (78766)
01-15-2004 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by k.kslick
01-15-2004 10:15 PM


Re: ok...
K,
You are moving thru a lot of old threads posting things you think are going to stun us or prove us wrong. Something YOU might want to remember about evolution...it is the most well supported theory in science today, and many of the posters here are people actively working in science. Try reading a physics text on 2LoT and come back and post what you find in an appropriate thread.

Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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sidelined
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Message 11 of 24 (78772)
01-15-2004 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by k.kslick
01-15-2004 10:15 PM


Re: ok...
K.kslick
I would like you to tell us how the second law of thermodynamics is rejected by evolution. Do you even know what is meant by things like Entropy and Carnot efficiency? Do you realize that the processes that go on in your body to keep you alive do not work without the second law?
I will await your reply

"I am not young enough to know everything. "
Oscar Wilde

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k.kslick
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Message 12 of 24 (78782)
01-15-2004 11:05 PM
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01-15-2004 10:35 PM


Re: ok...
If all things move from a state of order to disorder, which they do, then how can complete nothingness, or ooze, or whatever (lets keep this simple), completely, on their own, build a cell, or anything. you explain to me how moosh turns to life, green and lush, and more complex than the world's best super-computers.

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k.kslick
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Message 13 of 24 (78783)
01-15-2004 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Asgara
01-15-2004 10:22 PM


Asgara
Asgara, why don't you stop critizing me and my motives for posting and write a response to some of my threads.

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Asgara
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Message 14 of 24 (78785)
01-15-2004 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by k.kslick
01-15-2004 11:06 PM


Re: Asgara
K.
I have responded to your threads, I have asked for explanations on things you are saying, such as Explain the 2LoT, I have asked what you believe a theory to be, I have asked for an explanation of "religious backup" and I have suggested that you pick a thread and discuss...rather than thread jump with assertions. How are these not responses?
I have not mentioned your motives, I have questioned your understanding and made suggestions. Maybe you would have preferred my alterego AdminAsgara to make these suggestions, she does carry a little more weight around here than I do. You have made posts in AT LEAST seven separate threads in the past hour, and have offered nothing other than dogmatic assertions, with nothing to back any of it up.

Asgara
"An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

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crashfrog
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Message 15 of 24 (78787)
01-15-2004 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by k.kslick
01-15-2004 11:05 PM


If all things move from a state of order to disorder
How would you measure "disorder"?
Here's a hint - thermodynamically speaking, a completed house is less ordered than sorted piles of lumber on the lawn. It's true!
Things tend to move to a state of disorder. But that doesn't have the consequences that you think it does.

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