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"Research? Bible: God did it. Done."
--lol... I hear a phrase that goes a little something like this...' shows how much you know '. You did read my post didn't you?"Owww, you have access to a dictionary. Prove to me that the so-called "supernatural" actually exists."
--If I did, it wouldn't be called supernatural anymore now would it?
--Besides, I know what your getting at, your direction of argument is misleading. Your use of 'proof' is not what your looking for, and if it is, it is not scientific. Science doesn't have 'proof' as an inclusion to its methodology.------------------

"I may have diverted this topic in a different direction than what was intended, but I think that TC is a valuable example of a hard core YEC having come to some greater appreciation and understanding of science in general, and the science of evolution in particular."
--A Hard core YEC, eh? I am glad you have taken a minute to borrow my glasses "Is the originator of the topic still around, is now the question."
--I put highly into question whether we will be reading any more of his input here, though I would recommend that he stay a while.------------------

Originally posted by TrueCreation:--If I did, it wouldn't be called supernatural anymore now would it?
--Besides, I know what your getting at, your direction of argument is misleading. Your use of 'proof' is not what your looking for, and if it is, it is not scientific. Science doesn't have 'proof' as an inclusion to its methodology.

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In other words, you can't prove a negative.

Xstremefaith posted messages only to this thread and only for one day this past Monday.--Percy

I am still here. I see it pointless to even write this note. All of you are selfish and can't even help somebody out despite their beliefs. All I simply wanted to know is how to get through a class that was teaching something you didn't believe in. I got a total of 2 responses to the actual question.(basically, the rest were about my writing skills and the fact that I am stupid and should go back to high school) If you could get past yourselfs for 2 seconds it would be helpful. Take into consideration other people for once. What if you were in a history class with a YEC how would you get through it? I guess that's the difference between Christians and Evolutionists...we understand that their are other people in the world than ourselves.

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
I am still here. I see it pointless to even write this note. All of you are selfish and can't even help somebody out despite their beliefs. All I simply wanted to know is how to get through a class that was teaching something you didn't believe in. I got a total of 2 responses to the actual question.(basically, the rest were about my writing skills and the fact that I am stupid and should go back to high school) If you could get past yourselfs for 2 seconds it would be helpful. Take into consideration other people for once. What if you were in a history class with a YEC how would you get through it? I guess that's the difference between Christians and Evolutionists...we understand that their are other people in the world than ourselves.

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Bull. We only have to respect the right to express one's opinion or belief, not the opinion or belief itself.Maybe you should listen to the teacher, you may learn why you are wrong. If the school was teaching YEC it wouldn't be much of a school.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

I am not even asking you to respect my belief. I am asking you for help DESPITE my belif. Are you that dense?

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
I am not even asking you to respect my belief. I am asking you for help DESPITE my belif. Are you that dense?

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Why would we want to help you spread the lie which is creationism? It doesn't belong in schools which actually wants to teach something constructive.BTW, if the country were a theocracy we wouldn't be able to have differing opinions and beliefs since it would be forbidden. So don't tell me that Christians are more open minded. Given half a chance Christians would impose their beliefs on all through the force of law.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
All I simply wanted to know is how to get through a class that was teaching something you didn't believe in.

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Same way you get through any class-- pay attention and analyze the information. I don't understand why you are having a problem.It can't hurt you to understand the theory and its history.

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What if you were in a history class with a YEC how would you get through it?

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As a professor, you mean? It would probably irritate the piss out of me but if you have to take the class learn from it. Even the wierdest positions can be interesting. [/quote]I guess that's the difference between Christians and Evolutionists...we understand that their are other people in the world than ourselves.[/QUOTE]LOL.... of course you do, but have a history of trying to change that with missionaries and soldiers.------------------
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Your right...I'm sorry that would be asking to much from you. (calling us dogmatic HA) I know I would help an Ev, if they asked for help in the same area. EVERYBODY ( you say this too but when push comes down to shove everybody is only yourselves) has a right to their own belief. Now once again I am asking you to get past yourself. (Impossible) Nevermind.

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All I simply wanted to know is how to get through a class that was teaching something you didn't believe in.

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Sometimes you just have to muddle though a class, because your degree program requires it.Personally, I had a terible time getting through the second quarter of calculus. It much delayed, and almost stopped me from getting my geology degree. It wasn't that I didn't "believe" in it (although, my personal view is that it is pretty irrelivent); It was something I just couldn't adsorb. The quarter I finally passed it, I probably spent more time on that one class, than all the others put together. I got a "C", and now, I've long forgoten any and all of the class content.Moose------------------
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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
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"In other words, you can't prove a negative."
--No sorry, I did enough expanding on my logic when I stated that 'Science doesn't have 'proof' as an inclusion to its methodology', which rendered your assertion misleading & futile. If you need me to explain it to you further, go ahead. Or maybe you should just inquire my incite in another thread so we can swell down a bit on driving off xstremefaith's topic.------------------[This message has been edited by TrueCreation, 09-28-2002]

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Your right...I'm sorry that would be asking to much from you. (calling us dogmatic HA) I know I would help an Ev, if they asked for help in the same area. EVERYBODY ( you say this too but when push comes down to shove everybody is only yourselves) has a right to their own belief. Now once again I am asking you to get past yourself. (Impossible) Nevermind.

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Would you like it if they started to have sex ed. during Sunday mass?Creationism doesn't belong in a public school in with science. It is not an alternative to evolution since it can't meet the same standards. Dogma is irrelevant. You are asking us to include the pseudo-science of creationism over the valid science of Evolution. Next thing you know you'll be asking us to support you with Flat Earth in your geology class.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-28-2002]

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"In other words, you can't prove a negative."
--No sorry, I did enough expanding on my logic when I stated that 'Science doesn't have 'proof' as an inclusion to its methodology', which rendered your assertion misleading & futile. If you need me to explain it to you further, go ahead. Or maybe you should just inquire my incite in another thread so we can swell down a bit on driving off xstremefaith's topic.

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Like some others on here you think that all you need for "evidence" is to play some logic or word game and stop at that. Well, this is only a small step in a long process. If you imderstood how science worked you would see this.

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Originally posted by xstremefaith:
Your right...I'm sorry that would be asking to much from you. (calling us dogmatic HA) I know I would help an Ev, if they asked for help in the same area. EVERYBODY ( you say this too but when push comes down to shove everybody is only yourselves) has a right to their own belief. Now once again I am asking you to get past yourself. (Impossible) Nevermind.

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I think I'm with John on this - I really don't understand the problem. As with any other course, you essentially have two options:1. Regardless of your personal viewpoint, if the course is required, simply memorize the information the professor is presenting, regurgitate it for the test, and then forget about it.2. Stand up for your beliefs and challenge the professor. However, be aware that especially in a history class, where the minimal importance placed on paleoanthropology is simply an introduction to the meat of the course, this is probably counterproductive.Obviously, you're going to have to decide for yourself whether this three week element of a longer course is so crucially important to your life and happiness, to say nothing of your immortal soul (or whatever your particular problem with human evolution is), to risk failing the entire course.If you were my student, I'd LOVE to see you try refute human evolution, especially if all you had were the typical creationist "arguments from ignorance". However, that's only because I happen to know a fair amount about the subject and I'm a vindictive bastard. However, you can probably blow away the average history prof with the standard creationist nonsense - most history teachers don't have a lot of background in natural sciences.Just decide what it is you expect to accomplish and what your goals are in taking the class in the first place.Might I suggest that next time you have a problem like this, take it to one of the religious fora on the net. Coming to a board stuffed with science types is unlikely to net you warm, friendly greetings from the science types.