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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: I was taught about evolution in history class, well at least in grade 10.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: I was correct, you didn't learn anything. You were lied to. Go here and see why you are wrong on so many levels. The Talk.Origins Archive Index
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wj Inactive Member |
Is this typical of the American education system?
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5871 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Really? Cool. I didn't see my first lecture on evolution until my junior year or so (Principles of Ecology, or it might have been Principles of Environmental Science - anyway, something like that). I admit, however, that I attended college with H. erectus so things have probably changed.
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Joe Meert Member (Idle past 5679 days) Posts: 913 From: Gainesville Joined: |
quote: JM: This student was homeschooled. Basically, it's a crapshoot whether or not the education received was any good. Having said that, the public school systems here in the US have some problems. It's one of the reasons pseudoscience and mysticism have such a strong base here in the US. Cheers Joe Meert
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Sadly, yes.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: Remember, I'm from Canada, we're a bit more progressive in education. Eh?
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Mister Pamboli Member (Idle past 7576 days) Posts: 634 From: Washington, USA Joined: |
quote: I think you will find it was an argumentum ludicrum - an intentionally jocular fallacy to point out the failing in another's line of reasoning. The point was: just repeating that evolution is a fairytale is meaningless and leads to no fruitful discussion. Why should anyone reply to your post with any more information, or any more seriousness than I did? [This message has been edited by Mister Pamboli, 09-24-2002]
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Percy Member Posts: 22388 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Joe Meert writes: I also question whether Xstremefaith is being forthright with us. Until he describes his situation in terms that seem honest and make sense I'm inclined to ignore this thread. --Percy
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
You should answer the way the prof wants you to answer. You do not have to believe anything you do not want to. If you are already shaky, then you do not have a strong foundation.
I am an atheist. If I could give some information, find somone who is stronger in your belief system and talk to them. If you are really a Christain your faith should not be shaky at this point. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5032 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
I know that I am violating a bit of the weave in this thread here, but in some defense to the thread-head; I know that I have not in reality (for who is to say that posting here is reality. It exists. I give it that. etc)"survived" Will Provine's class "Evolution and Ethics". Oh, I got a C- for as much work as would go into an A for Biochem but it does seem to me now that my Religion was the reason that I could not survive despite me being "fit" to discuss all of the issues raised and besides the point I had been really thinking about the content for years. I came to the decided that GOD controls my thought and I was LEARNING evolutionary theory on an organismal basis that still supported this belief.
There is a part of this course where Will being A historian was becoming a biologist on the same campus that worked against my allready formed notion to any being dynamical that still seems to mean that my materialism is confused with the common naturalism. Naturalism discusses only ONE nature while there are many material possibilites during the only process of biological change but to Believe that ONLY the brain remained OUTSIDE this understanding was something I could not believe and did not. Something like this is what caused the wedge and a falling out to come between the historian and the biologist. You decide who I am talking about.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3822 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
For me, Week One of college western civ covered evolution and the earliest humans. There was probably a whole question devoted to it on the test.
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Percy Member Posts: 22388 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Oh, now I get it. It didn't make sense to me that a history course would spend significant time on evolution, and I bet his course doesn't. The first chapter of his book probably begins by discussing theories about the evolutionary paths leading to the first humans, moves through the stone age, then ends with the latest pre-historical period, perhaps with plant and animal domestication, the earliest farmers, development of ceramics and the utilization of metals. At that point he's on the threshold of recorded history and ready to study the first civilizations of the fertile crescent.
I wonder if he'll have as big a problem with civilizations that predate creation as he does with evolution. --Percy
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TrueCreation Inactive Member |
"Today was my first day in college and 5 minutes into my history class i knew i was in trouble! What a suprise(not)...Evolution is the main discussion for the next couple of weeks!"
--Not surprised. "I have studied and studied and I know evolution is wrong and science can't prove it!"--Your perception of scientific study is faulty, and your understanding of mechanics of science-logic is likewize. "I just don't remember any good arguments and what not. I need HELP...any good tips on surviving a secular history class being a strong Christian? What am i supposed to do when a test comes and asks for a fact answer when really it's only a nonplausible theory i can give them??? THANX!"--When approaching the discussion of Evolutionary development in this historical sense, your best bed is to keep an even handed mind-set. Realize that such a theoretical teaching of ancestry is just that, a theoretical teaching of ancestry. Unfortunately to carry on a conversation on the subject would in the most part require you to have knowledge on the workings of scientific inquiry as well as knowledge on the theory of Evolution itself. Just enjoy learning more on the subject while it is available. Suck it in and know that there isn't real conflict between Christianity and Evolutionary development. You will also find that in delving into evolutionary concepts that what has happened in the past when referring to evolutionary development is a bit of a far cry away from the question of it happening before our eyes. Its just that when putting together data you can find that it is possible to make a coherent model using paleographic or historically remnant type information & today's documented change. ------------------
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3822 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
Exactly. We did a brief overview of the stone age and then into the west via Egypt and Chaldea.
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