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Author Topic:   What's the problem with teaching ID?
Taz
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Message 14 of 337 (392351)
03-30-2007 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JustinC
02-28-2006 6:59 PM


To simply put, ID is just lazy thinking. Just imagine the following questions and answers.
Q: How does the lipid bi-layer of a cell keep itself together while allowing certain molecules to pass into and out of the cell?
A: An intelligent designer designed it that way.
Q: How do birds know which way to fly when they do their yearly migration?
A: An intelligent designer designed it that way.
Q: Why is the pythagorean theorem true for every right triangle?
A: An intelligent designer designed it that way.
Q: Why do many languages in certain regions are so much alike? For example, Italian and Spanish.
A: An intelligent designer designed it that way.
Q: Why do we see a rainbow everytime there's sunlight and rain?
A: An intelligent designer designed it that way.
The answer is just a simple modified version of the typical "goddunit" answer many adults give to their children everytime they ask curious questions. I grew up being force fed the "goddunit" answer. I entered high school and college believing the world operated on god's magic and that there was little more explanation for what goes on with planetary motion or biology than "goddunit".
What ID proposes is institutionalizing lazy thinking. By giving the answer "an intelligent designer designed it that way" everytime a phenomenon is encountered that at the moment cannot be understood, progress is permanently suspended.
I once attended a lecture by a very famous philosopher of science (can't remember his name). His lecture was on how ID attacks science and intellectual progress. One of the things he pointed out was this: Let's say that an intelligent designer designed the biological processes we see today. Then what? The so-called discipline of Intelligent Design leads to nowhere. Neither the scientific community nor the intelligent design advocates could name a single foreseeable progress made to science or humanity with Intelligent Design. Its very nature is to impede progress by savoring ignorance.

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Taz
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Message 48 of 337 (424292)
09-26-2007 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by anglagard
09-26-2007 1:15 PM


Re: I have no problem with teaching ID in a school but...
anglagard writes:
Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?
There's nothing wrong with being a hypocrite in the face of debate. You know this.

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Taz
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Message 50 of 337 (424295)
09-26-2007 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by pbee
09-26-2007 1:16 PM


pbee writes:
We have zero evidence evidence to support the concept that life could originate from nothing.
Strawman.
Despite our greatest efforts, we have yet to produce anything better than Creation to satisfy the answer to our existence.
Your point?
If anything, the general scientific mindset harbors serious limitations to the honest and open evaluation of life and origin. Why? fear!
Mind to elaborate this a little more? If I understand this statement correctly, I would argue that the other way around is true. The wistful thinking that a heavenly father created us and a heaven for us to reside in after our ultimate demise comes directly from fear... fear of the unknown. How does trying to explore possibilities of a natural and humble beginning for life come from fear?

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Taz
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Message 51 of 337 (424296)
09-26-2007 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by pbee
09-26-2007 1:21 PM


pbee writes:
None of the original materials(recordings) were proprietary to a religion or sect at that time. They were Authored by God and written by people without religious branding(despite what the Vatican says)
And you know this how? Considering the fact that the so-called "original materials" vary greatly from each other. You might want to start reading the various creation myths from more than just your own culture.

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