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Message 184 of 337 (664364)
05-31-2012 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by swensenpower
05-31-2012 9:35 AM


Do you have any reason to believe that students are not being taught the facts about how life began?

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 195 of 337 (664433)
05-31-2012 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by swensenpower
05-31-2012 9:33 PM


there are no facts about how life bagan, only speculations. there is no way to conduct proper experiments now becuase there is just not enough information about what things were like on earth when life started.
Setting aside all of the things about that statement that are wrong, since other people have covered them, do you think it would be possible for you to answer my question? To refresh your recollection, I asked you, "Do you have any reason to believe that students are not being taught the facts about how life began?"
If your answer is yes, please tell us what you think those facts are, referencing the specific books and facts that support your answer if possible.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 198 of 337 (664437)
06-01-2012 12:56 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by swensenpower
06-01-2012 12:13 AM


Wow
Well, again I will leave most errors for others to correct, but I simply could not pass this by.
That is why many models state that earths early atmosphere had much less oxygen in it, but there is no other evidence to suggest what amount of oxygen was in the air 4 billion years ago. photosynthesis is a very common chemical reaction now but how common was it 4 billion years ago.
Wow.
As you may or may not be aware, photosynthesis is a process used by plants and some other organisms to convert energy from the sun to food. Think about that for a moment.
Your problem is that we don't know how much photosynthesis was going on 4 billion years ago and, thus, we don't know what the conditions on Earth were before life began.
Think about that just a bit more. If you don't see the glaring problem here, I'm quite certain you're not ready to talk to anyone about anything remotely related to science.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 200 of 337 (664439)
06-01-2012 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by swensenpower
06-01-2012 1:10 AM


maybe both should not be taught in school.
I've asked you twice, now. Exactly what is it that you think that they are teaching in school that you disagree with? Please provide evidence to support your claim.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Message 202 of 337 (664441)
06-01-2012 1:50 AM
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06-01-2012 1:35 AM


Re: Wow
Thank you but I know what photosynthesis is. I was trying to prove a point that common chemical reactions today were not always common
But all you did was demonstrate your utter ignorance of the subject. Now, if you were trying to prove that you don't know much about conditions on Earth billions of years ago, your statement would have marvelous evidence to support your contention. However, proving that others don't know much about pre-biotic conditions by invoking a process that by definition requires life is not only unless in supporting your contention, but it actually undermines anything else you might say about the topic.
However you did understand my point when you said, "we don't know what the conditions on earth were before life."
I didn't say we don't know what conditions on the Earth were before life, you did. I'm perfectly aware that there is a great deal that we know about conditions on the Earth before life. You are the one wallowing in that particular vat of ignorance.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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