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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 477 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Faith writes: Your ignorance of the success of homeschoolers is remarkable considering that it is well known. Since you are still relatively new here, you need to be aware that everyone has the right to ask for evidence whenever a claim is made. Someone's ignorance of a topic that is obvious to another does not equal "remarkable," especially when the topic is not so well known. This message has been edited by Troy, 03-31-2005 03:03 PM
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why don't christians establish universitys along these lines, then when their sucess became obvious, students would flock to them, money would flow, and all the great profs would want to teach there? The Trivium is Elementary School, the Quadrivium roughly Jr. High to High School. I'd love to see a new Harvard or Yale established along the lines of the originals. I hope it comes about. But it would be Christian down to the prayers and chapel services and mandatory Bible study, and not terribly comfortable for a secularist professor.
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bob_gray Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 243 From: Virginia Joined: |
Again, I'm not pursuing the topic of homeschooling as such. I only brought it up to answer Holmes' suspicion that all forms of Christian schooling would put children at odds with the mainstream. He is wrong. They are taught the same subjects, only so far a better job is being done with them -- for whatever reason. Having been in a Christian school myself I would have to agree with this statement, mostly. It depends on what Christian school you attend. If you attend a YEC Christian school then you would indeed be at odds with mainstream science. If you attend a Catholic school (as I did) then you would be taught evolution and all the other sciences in exactly the same way as they are found in the mainstream. I can’t speak to the Protestant schools since I have no experience with them. As an interesting side note women who attend Catholic schools pursue math and science related degrees at a much higher rate than those who attend public schools. I realize that my personal experience is simply anecdotal evidence but I will share it anyway. It has been my experience as a teacher that the students I get who tell me they are home schooled come in only two flavors, very well prepared and no clue at all (split about 50/50 among the two groups). I imagine there must be others in my classes but they don’t all tell me their educational background.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Since you are still relatively new here, you need to be aware that everyone has the right to ask for evidence whenever a claim is made. I guess you haven't had this conversation with Faith yet. She finds it unspeakably rude that you don't simply take her word for every assertion she makes.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But it would be Christian down to the prayers and chapel services and mandatory Bible study, and not terribly comfortable for a secularist professor. As a product of just such an environment I can possibly offer a little insight. Had it not been for my Christian schooling I might not be fully in support of the Theory of Evolution today nor would I have as great an understanding of the Bible or Christianity. In particular, mandatory Bible study when combined with mandatory study of other faiths, religions and philosophies is a great idea. It was also a great place for secularist professors and they would have to be a key component if it is to be anything more than a brainwashing program designed to produce cultists. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Bob - sounds about right - I never really encountered a middle ground either.They were either very good or basketcases.
Ah teaching.... that was a job and half....
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tsig Member (Idle past 2909 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
The Trivium is Elementary School, the Quadrivium roughly Jr. High to High School. I thought they were taught at what we might consider the college level. IIRC there was no Elementery or High school. By the way I never really thanked you for the links. We might disagree with what they mean, but was so refreshing to see evidence to look at. Also, you were right, home-schoolers do test better.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
One thing that has to be stressed and that is often overlooked in examination of Public School Systems is that the schools have no control over the quality of the raw materials they are forced to work with. Any non-public school system would be expected to do better simply because they have some control over the raw materials. The productivity and performance of students is not under the control of the teachers, it is the responsibility of the parents. If the parents are not motivated to prepare the raw materials, then the product that comes out of the school will be crap.
The schools have not failed, the parents have. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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tsig Member (Idle past 2909 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
I guess you haven't had this conversation with Faith yet. She finds it unspeakably rude that you don't simply take her word for every assertion she makes. Crash, she did reply and provided links, think you leaped without looking here. Happy landings.
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CK Member (Idle past 4128 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Yes home-schoolers do seem to test better as a group.That does not mean that people following the specific Curricula suggested by Faith (vague as it is) would do so.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1445 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Since you are still relatively new here, you need to be aware that everyone has the right to ask for evidence whenever a claim is made. Someone's ignorance of a topic that is obvious to another does not equal "remarkable," especially when the topic is not so well known. Well, I've been here long enough to have been "treated" to this "asking" in forms that are better described as demanding or commanding, and often about things that I do think should be common knowledge or trivial claims not central to the topic. It gets to be more like a method of gleeful torture than an attempt to understand anything.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2909 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
One thing that has to be stressed and that is often overlooked in examination of Public School Systems is that the schools have no control over the quality of the raw materials they are forced to work with. Any non-public school system would be expected to do better simply because they have some control over the raw materials. The productivity and performance of students is not under the control of the teachers, it is the responsibility of the parents. If the parents are not motivated to prepare the raw materials, then the product that comes out of the school will be crap. It's the self-selection factor. I would expect any group tha can select it's own members to be different than the general public. no?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Crash, she did reply and provided links, think you leaped without looking here. Happy landings. I hadn't seen that, but my comments did accurately reflect the substance of conversations had in this thread. It was literally referred to as "rude" to challenge an assertion.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 821 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 6.7 |
Can you give evidence of such anti-science homeschooling curricula? That is VERY VERY far from my observation of what is taught in Christian homeschooling. Science is very well taught.
Some of the home schooling curricula looked very good, it's the ones I seen like in the following link that are anti-science. Learningbygrace.org
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tsig Member (Idle past 2909 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Yes home-schoolers do seem to test better as a group.That does not mean that people following the specific Curricula suggested by Faith (vague as it is) would do so. OK, we seem to be a little afield here. We have already seen efforts to splinter the education system. Vouchers are one of the ways that seek to chanel gov. money to churches and thier affiliates. I think Holmes's case is proved by the actions of the Kansas School Board for one
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