Evolution

no i didn't say we had 1 but so far i have only seen 1 mentioned...

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Originally posted by Lemming:
no i didn't say we had 1 but so far i have only seen 1 mentioned...

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only 1 but more bones have been found of dinosaurs

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What does this mean then?------------------
http://www.hells-handmaiden.com

k my turn to play dumb i am saying only 1 has be found and i will also say prove the one we found is related to us and not the modern day ape

I went to grad school just up Forbes Avenue at CMU. Pittsburgh's a wonderful town, hope you're enjoying it!--Percy

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Originally posted by Lemming:
k my turn to play dumb

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I am beginning to wonder if you are playing.

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i am saying only 1 has be found

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One WHAT?Karl, in post #22, brings up fossil hominids-- lucy in particular.You reply in post #28:

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only 1 but more bones have been found of dinosaurs

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I ask, in post #29, for clarification.

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Are saying we have only one ancestral human bone?

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In post #31, you deny that this is what you meant. So what the hell did you mean? One fossil? One individual? One species? One what? It shouldn't be that hard to clarify your statement, unless, of course, you, like the rest of us, do not know what you are talking about.

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and i will also say prove the one we found is related to us and not the modern day ape

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Gee.... actually, both statements are true. What you want is evidence that Lucy-- assuming this is the cryptic 'one' you are brandishing-- is a direct ancestor.------------------
http://www.hells-handmaiden.com

[QUOTE][B]Consider slave labor.[/QUOTE][/B]Current thinking is that they were not built by slave labor but by farmers contracted during the off-season. (Not that I would be enthusiastic about signing up though) [QUOTE][B]However, the Egyptians we obviously very well versed in the building of pyramids (there are smaller versions of burial tombs like Great Pyramids of Giza dotted round Egypt).[/QUOTE][/B]Indeed. Like the Bent Pyramid. Or the step pyramids. Clearly pyramid-building evolved and some of them were quite embarrassing. [QUOTE][B]Also, could you post the link or the information about this bottle you keep referring to? I tried to look it up on the Web to get the details, but I couldn't find anything.[/QUOTE][/B]Yeah I'd be particularly interested in these rock bottles. For one, he said that they were one of the hardest "rocks" on Earth, after diamond. Hmmm, that would be what...Corundum? As I understand it the bedrock geology of Egypt is limestone.

[QUOTE][B]i understand what that site was trying to say but still disbelieve we evolved from monkey/apes why there are 235 modern primate species living today yet not one of them can talk apart from the human why is this surely some of them would have evolved to talk [/QUOTE][/B]Because talking is unique to advanced hominids with large brain cavities. There is no reason for any animal to be able to talk if it lacks the intellectual capacity to speak and comprehend speech. Having said that, have you thought about the wide variety of vocalizations used by primates to communicate?

[QUOTE][B]if we can find many different species of dinosaur (bones) which would be around 250 million years old why can't we find many different species of Apemen[/QUOTE][/B]Dinosaurs were the dominant form of terrestrial life throughout the Mesozoic. Their fossils are everywhere. Hominids are very rare fossils because they have been around only a few million years and have only lived in a very small corner of the world (the Rift Valley zone) and probably have always had very small populations.

[QUOTE][B]answer you just put the real facts in failed to answer the question and anyway its not about how and why they was built it was about the people who built[/QUOTE][/B]Why would aliens come to Earth to build big stone pyramids? It makes no sense.Also why would those hypothetical aliens make bottles out of stone? Wouldn't it make more sense to make them out of something more useful and lightweight, like plastic? [QUOTE][B]built it was about the people who built them they had more knowledge than that of any later day Human "Correct" (Because we can't build them "Now")[/QUOTE][/B]You're actually suggesting that we can send men to the Moon and build tremendous bridges and office towers but we cannot manage to pile a bunch of rocks up in the shape of a pyramid? [QUOTE][B]also lets see if you can answer the question about the bottle because thats the one that really gets on scientists nerves they have failed to answer it or did they choose to ignore it[/QUOTE][/B]Perhaps you would like to share with us more information about these bottles?

oops k lets see if you understand it more if i put what i said this way,"ONLY!!" 1

i don't believe this humans have been around 1-2 million years all over the worlds take england for example you can find human burial grounds and human bones all of the place,This is also a large area too, But humans have been around half the time Apemen was meant to be around already and you have failed to find more then 1 apeman bone or bones belonging to different types of apemananother thing would be what makes you so sure Lucy was apart of the evolution line with human and not the modern day Ape ?

[QUOTE][B]i don't believe this humans have been around 1-2 million years all over the worlds take england for example you can find human burial grounds and human bones all of the place,This is also a large area too[/QUOTE][/B]England was colonized a relatively short time ago, and only by modern humans. [QUOTE][B]But humans have been around half the time Apemen was meant to be around already and you have failed to find more then 1 apeman bone or bones belonging to different types of apeman[/QUOTE][/B]That's wrong on both counts. There are hundreds of "apemen" and several species. But to call them "apemen" is incorrect because humans did not evolve from apes. We have a common ancestor. [QUOTE][B]another thing would be what makes you so sure Lucy was apart of the evolution line with human and not the modern day Ape ? [/QUOTE][/B]Because Lucy is not an ape. There are apes alive today. We know what ape skeletons look like.[This message has been edited by gene90, 11-14-2002]

Thanks gene for the correction.... I looked up some sites and did indeed find that its was more likely that migrant workers from the farms came to work the pyramids in the off season. My apologies....Lemming, to address the new topics you brought up...
First, the idea that the stone blocks would have been a lot of weight to move around, and create a path a solid sand? In order to create stone from sand (e.g. sandstone) water is a necessity for binding the sand particles together, hard to get that in the desert. If you are talking about the compacting of sand to form rock hard ground.... I will give you an analogy, Americas highway system, millions of cars weighing several tons traverse the roads, but underneath the asphalt, would we find that the dirt had compacted into stone(or solid dirt) from all the compression? Probably not, it would still be dirt. Also,to address the idea of roads once again... if a stable road was built, from stone blocks or something, out in the desert, there would've been a good chance that it would be buried quickly by the shifting sands, rendering it useless.As to your other topic.... the manpower (I already corrected myself about the slave thing). You stated that there are no mass graves or no evidence of where they got the food and water to build the pyramids. Please see the following links:
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The Discovery of the Tombs of the Pyramid Builders at Giza: Dr. Zahi Hawass
http://www.egyptsites.co.uk/lower/giza/intro/intro.html
Page not found – Viasat Internet ProviderI like the last one especially, its a great picture. Anyway, the above links show that indeed there were a large amount of personal private tombs/graves for people/families that built the pyramids. Also, the links provide evidence that a massive town surrounded the pyramids... providing housing and storage for food. They found massive grain silos at the site and communal dining halls. The idea was that there was a stable population to maintain the town and then migrant workers came in after the Nile flooded the farms annually to work on the pyramids.Now, I am sure you are going to ask where the food and water came to supply those dining halls. Water was not THAT far away from the pyramids, you can see the pyramids from the Nile. Water and grain could be brought in from the Nile via massive caravan trains. And cattle could be kept at the pyramids (feeding on the grain).-Obsidian

Thanks Percy! Pitts city life is definitely fun.
-obsidian

England was colonized a relatively short time ago, and only by modern humans. i agree but you can still find human bones all over the place from burial grounds to out in open fieldswhat makes the Rift valley and Apes/Humans/Apemen different from that of england ?why is it harder to find Apeman bones,because they have been around longer in that part of the world ?, longer then the occupation of england by Humans but bones of Humans in England are easier to find,
doesn't make sence
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------another thing would be what makes you so sure Lucy was apart of the evolution line with human and not the modern day Ape ?Because Lucy is not an ape. There are apes alive today. We know what ape skeletons look like.so your saying you don't think the modern day apes evolved over the last 3-4 million years ?What makes you think Lucy Skeleton wasn't the same form of what the modern apes of her time looked like ?i would like to know the common ancestor? you failed to point this one outLooking so far has if you believe in the evolution of the one but not the other.The one being the Human side the other being the apes side