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Author Topic:   No evolution/creation debate in Europe
Buzsaw
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Message 5 of 107 (442445)
12-21-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Zucadragon
12-21-2007 10:01 AM


Schools
Hi Zucadragon. A hearty welcome to you and Peracutus. What about the schools in Europe compared to the US so far as freedom for balanced debate relative to intelligent design vs evolution etc? Imo America the so called free is not free in this respect.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 6 of 107 (442447)
12-21-2007 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by peracutus
12-20-2007 6:37 PM


Fairness and Balance in Science
peracutus writes:
Did god tell you to use nitrate fertilizers and herbicides to increase your crop yield? No Mr. Farmer science did.
Did god tell us what genes in the DNA stand for? No that was science.
We are able to create life forms because of science. Today medicine cures lethal illnesses that killed thousands of people in the past.
Science solves problems!
1. In both Europe and America organic garding and farming (abe:science) has produced higher quality and healthier crops the old fashioned way void of all the problems like soil depletion and health matters. Science is ruining out soils and making us sicker.
2. Science's health cures are rife with dangerous side effects, far more so than with the old fashioned diet and the old fashioned herbal remedy (abe: science).
The above is not against science. It's about mainline science vs alternative sciences relative to fairness and balance.
Edited by Buzsaw, : add title
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 107 (442458)
12-21-2007 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by jar
12-21-2007 10:39 AM


Re: Jar's Usual Personal Attack
Jar this like most threads you engage ID creationists in IS NOT A CREATIONIST PERSONAL ATTACK THREAD.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 107 (442574)
12-21-2007 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by ringo
12-21-2007 2:26 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
Ringo writes:
It doesn't matter who made the scientist. It only matters how well he/she is educated. The topic is about how Europe doesn't seem to let notions about God hamper scientific education.
As I've shown here fairness in balance makes for overall good science in Europe, America and around the world. Onesidedness tends toward censorship and ignorance. The Biblical model is not a hindrance. It's an alternative science which has certain merits and offers alternative possibilities/hypotheses.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 107 (442590)
12-21-2007 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Jon
12-21-2007 1:19 PM


Are You There Peracutus?
We seem to have lost peracutus but it appears that he's informing us about how he sees it in Europe compared to America and is interested in our responses.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 107 (442863)
12-22-2007 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Larni
12-22-2007 7:28 AM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
As Joseph Goebbel stated, falsehoods can be repeated to the point of believability. (not direct quote) Abe: Of course we know which ideology the students hear the most.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 31 of 107 (442964)
12-23-2007 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by anglagard
12-23-2007 4:30 AM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
anglagard writes:
I would assume this observation is not only meant for secular education but also includes the home-schooled and students in religious institutions such as certain schools, colleges, and churches
Not really. The observation is to mean that the mostest propagated in the population the mosted believed. We already know what is by far the mostest propagated to the mostest students.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 107 (443047)
12-23-2007 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by nator
12-23-2007 1:40 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
Your message has absolutely no substance as to an objective response.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 107 (443151)
12-23-2007 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by nator
12-23-2007 4:46 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
nator writes:
Science isn't an "ideology"........
I know, but there are varying ideologies among scientists which have a bearing on how things observed are interpreted.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 42 of 107 (443179)
12-23-2007 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by RAZD
12-23-2007 9:38 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
So is the phrase you quoted from me correct or not?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 107 (443288)
12-24-2007 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by RAZD
12-24-2007 12:26 AM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
No matter how you spin it, evolutionism is a proper and correct gramatical and scientific term/word in reference to the term/word evolution which was my point all along.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 48 of 107 (443481)
12-25-2007 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by nator
12-24-2007 2:31 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
shraf writes:
Evidence of this?
definition of ideology from Merriam Webster:
1: visionary theorizing
2 a: a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b: a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c: the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 49 of 107 (443483)
12-25-2007 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by nator
12-24-2007 2:33 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
shraf writes:
"Evolutionism" is not a scientific term.
By the same token then autism is not a medical term as per your contention, nor is journalism to the profession of a journalist.
This is leading off topic here to go into this debate in debth, but I know I'll be accused of running off without supporting claims if I let it slide. If you want to do a thread on it go for it and I'll debate it in debth.
Edited by Buzsaw, : spelling

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 51 of 107 (443598)
12-25-2007 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by RAZD
12-25-2007 12:38 PM


Re: Confusing mechanisms with causation
Razd writes:
No that would be medicalism.
Nonsense. Autism is a medical term applying the adverb autistic or the noun autist. It all applies to the same condition.
If you want to argue the isms point relative to evolution til the cows come home, open a thread and get up an OP. I'll debate in depth on the topic if you wish.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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