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Author Topic:   The Impossibility Of The Flood
Buzsaw
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Message 76 of 100 (561194)
05-19-2010 10:49 AM
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05-19-2010 10:19 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
Dr Jones writes:
How do a meteor strike and a flood affect the various dating methods such that they are all wrong and yet still agree with each other? Show your math
Math, shmath, Jones. It's a matter of whether the flood happened and the properties of a pre-flood planet.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Huntard
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Message 77 of 100 (561195)
05-19-2010 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 10:49 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
So, you've got nothing? Thought not.

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Message 78 of 100 (561196)
05-19-2010 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 10:43 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
It was the forces of evil which first deceived mankind in the garden and deceived the people who ultimately caused Jehovah to wipe out the world's population....
So god is Geraldine?
...Satan's agent, Hitler....
Oh, so now that someone has pointed out what a dickfart you are, you've decided that Hitler was Satan's agent instead of god's. Nice to see that your various positions are so well-considered.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas Jefferson
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack Obama
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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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Coragyps
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Message 79 of 100 (561199)
05-19-2010 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 10:08 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
not calculated by dating methodology.
Nor observed in the geological/biological record. It was of SUCH HUGE MAGNITUDE that it left no trace of its happening.
Correct?

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Buzsaw
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Message 80 of 100 (561207)
05-19-2010 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Huntard
05-19-2010 10:53 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
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Huntard writes:
So, you've got nothing? Thought not.
Says Mr. Blind Assertion.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 81 of 100 (561212)
05-19-2010 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Coragyps
05-19-2010 11:33 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
Coragyps writes:
Nor observed in the geological/biological record. It was of SUCH HUGE MAGNITUDE that it left no trace of its happening.
Correct?
No. Not correct. All that is there is debatable and remains the ongoing debate in the science arena, according to premise and thesis of interpretation of the geological/biological data observed. Both camps apply the same data in determinations.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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PaulK
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Message 82 of 100 (561213)
05-19-2010 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 12:05 PM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
quote:
Says Mr. Blind Assertion.
Buz, while you love to (falsely) accuse others of making blind assertions the fact is that your claim that the flood would mess up dating really IS a blind assertion. And in fact you know that it is a blind assertion - because you never, ever offer any real support for it. That's what makes it blind. All you do is keep repeating it in the hope that maybe someone somewhere will believe it.

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Woodsy
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Message 83 of 100 (561216)
05-19-2010 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 12:23 PM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
Re: Application Of Natural Events
Coragyps writes:
Nor observed in the geological/biological record. It was of SUCH HUGE MAGNITUDE that it left no trace of its happening.
Correct?
No. Not correct. All that is there is debatable and remains the ongoing debate in the science arena, according to premise and thesis of interpretation of the geological/biological data observed. Both camps apply the same data in determinations.
This is word salad.
A huge cataclysm that happened at the time claimed for the fludde would have left traces. Much less extreme events have left traces that have been found.
Since no such traces have been found, it is dishonest to continue claiming that the fludde did occur, unless you can show exactly why it left no traces.
No waffling about dating techniques will be honest, unless you can demonstrate exactly why they are in error and why the overwhelming consilience of methods is found.
Unless you can show these things, you are merely displaying the damage that religion does to the human intellect.

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Coyote
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Message 84 of 100 (561217)
05-19-2010 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 12:23 PM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
No. Not correct. All that is there is debatable and remains the ongoing debate in the science arena, according to premise and thesis of interpretation of the geological/biological data observed. Both camps apply the same data in determinations.
Wrong; creationists have to ignore a huge amount of data that does not fit their a priori beliefs, and they have to distort and misrepresent still more data.
And that's not enough; they also have to deny much of science (as that is what you folks do when you make your silly claims about dating).
Your claim to "apply the same data" is false. Creation "science" is religious apologetics, the exact opposite of real science.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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onifre
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Message 85 of 100 (561219)
05-19-2010 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by ICANT
05-19-2010 2:35 AM


Re: Flood
But according to the doctors I was dead for 3 hours and 20 minutes.
I'm calling Shenanigans! That is just a complete load of bull, ICANT.
I call it a miracle. BTW the doctor did too.
Whatever, dude...
- Oni

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Taq
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Message 86 of 100 (561220)
05-19-2010 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 12:23 PM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
Both camps apply the same data in determinations.
Let's approach this from a different angle. What type of geologic feature could the flood NOT produce? Can you describe a single one?

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dronestar
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Message 87 of 100 (561221)
05-19-2010 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by onifre
05-19-2010 12:59 PM


Re: Flood
3 hours and 20 minutes?
I can beat that. I've been dead since 1973. (except for a brief moment in 1981 when Bloomingdales had a 50% off sale on all sheets and linens)

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DrJones*
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Message 88 of 100 (561223)
05-19-2010 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 10:49 AM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
Math, shmath, Jones.
Seeing as the various dating methodologies use math and physics to produce their results asking you to show your work shouldn't be that big a deal.
the properties of a pre-flood planet
What properties of a pre-flood planet could render all the dating methods wrong and yet still agree with eachother? Show your math.

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soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

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onifre
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Message 89 of 100 (561226)
05-19-2010 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by dronestar
05-19-2010 1:08 PM


Re: Flood
3 hours and 20 minutes?
I can beat that. I've been dead since 1973. (except for a brief moment in 1981 when Bloomingdales had a 50% off sale on all sheets and linens)
Now that made me LOL for real, dude. Thanks
- Oni

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Dr Adequate
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Message 90 of 100 (561281)
05-19-2010 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
05-19-2010 12:23 PM


Re: Application Of Natural Events
No. Not correct. All that is there is debatable and remains the ongoing debate in the science arena, according to premise and thesis of interpretation of the geological/biological data observed. Both camps apply the same data in determinations.
Don't be silly.

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