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ICANT
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Message 56 of 100 (561077)
05-18-2010 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Woodsy
05-18-2010 7:43 AM


Re: My Opinion
Hi Woodsy,
Woodsy writes:
I have thought for some time that religion is a kind of scam that succeeds because many people long to outsource their thinking.
Religion has been a sham everysince the firstborn child of the first man and woman killed his brother because God had favor to his sacrifice and not to his. So he killed his brother probably with the idea if I am the only one then God will have to accept what I offer Him.
It has continued until this day.
It even infiltrated the early churches and presist in many so call churches today. Makes me ashamed to be classified as a Christian. I do not claim to be a christian as I am not Christ like which they were at Antioch when they were first called Christians by their enemies, as they were living a life like Christ.
Most of christianity today is a sham, filled with preachers who are of their father the devil and in it for the money.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 57 of 100 (561082)
05-18-2010 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Dr Adequate
05-18-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Miracle
Hi Dr,
Dr Adequate writes:
If they then tried to shore up their account by providing naturalistic explanations like saying: "Well, maybe he had big styrofoam boots strapped to his feet, and the boots were painted blue so that no-one saw them in the water, and maybe Saint Peter distracted them at the crucial moment by shouting "hey everyone, look over there", and ..."
Actually according to the scriptures Peter went to meet him walking on the water until he go too full of himself and began to sink.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 58 of 100 (561093)
05-18-2010 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by New Cat's Eye
05-18-2010 1:01 PM


Re: Flood
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes:
Of course, and the invitation IS open...
You will probably get some unless they are flooded out. So I thought I would chime in.
I believe the flood happened because the Bible says it did. I have no problem with a lot of miracles happening in that event.
First thing would be building the ark which according to the Bible was a rectangle not like the pictures man has drawn. It was a barge not an ocean going vessel. Getting the lumber together to build such a craft would be a huge job.
When it was finished the passengers showed up and boarded the craft. That in itself is a miracle.
Then when everyone entered and God shut the door it began to rain. At some point the fountains of the deep opened up and produced a large volume of water. I would assume it was something like what happens at the Bay of Fundy as the water rises and falls 55 feet every 6 hours. The only difference was the water did not go back down in 6 hours. The Bible still has the land in one place like my Avatar so it should not have taken long for the land mass to be covered with water. But this would require a miracle.
The food supply would have been limited and prone to spoil over the period of time so a miracle would have to take place to make the food supply all their needs without spoiling.
The waste created by all these animals would have been massive and would have required at least on angel to keep the craft cleaned. Another miracle.
As has been pointed out that boat could not float well it is possible that it never lifted off the ground. If it was on the highest point of land mass. But if it did lift off it would require a miracle to give the passengers a safe journey. But since God holds the universe together with His energy that should not have been a problem for Him. But yet that would be a miracle.
The water receding would have been a huge problem where would it go. Not a problem to God the water could have gathered together as it did in Genesis 1:7 But another miracle.
The vegetation to support the animals and fowls and humans needed to produce fast. Not a problem for God as He called them from the ground full grown in Genesis 1:11, 12. Yet another miracle.
So for such a flood to take place it required many miracles.
There still needs to be a few miracles performed after the flood.
The people had to be scattered over all the land mass but because they spoke the same language they did not disperse. So God confused the language by changing the languages of many of the people. When they could not understand everyone those who could understand each other gathered together in different parts of the land mass. Another miracle required.
Now we have the problem of the earth did not look then like it does now as all the land was in one place Another one second miracle to divide the land mass to where it is today. Thus requiring another miracle. This would solve many problems of how humans and other creatures got to the different places they were found.
All visible land has been covered by water at sometime in the past as well as all the land mass being in one place. But that is the only things that the Bible story and natures story have in common.
No one has to tell me that what I have stated is impossible in nature. But I did not present a natural account of the flood but a miraculous account.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 60 of 100 (561104)
05-18-2010 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by onifre
05-18-2010 8:15 PM


Re: Flood
Hi onifre,
onifre writes:
...and thus you prove the impossibility of the Flood.
Only if there are no miracles.
I believe in miracles I am one.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 69 of 100 (561143)
05-19-2010 2:35 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by onifre
05-18-2010 9:44 PM


Re: Flood
Hi onifre,
onifre writes:
But that you feel it took a miracle of god for you to be alive today shows the arrogance of belief.
No, human birth is a natural birth that is controled by laws.
But according to the doctors I was dead for 3 hours and 20 minutes. When I spoke and a whole lot of activity began to take place 61 days later I walked out of the hospital.
You call it whatever you want to call it.
I call it a miracle. BTW the doctor did too.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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