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Author Topic:   The phrase "Evolution is a fact"
Peg
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Message 24 of 217 (489509)
11-27-2008 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by subbie
10-31-2008 2:02 PM


subbie writes:
Change in the population of various organisms across generations has been directly observed
yes, there is a wide variety seen within each species. that is a fact

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Peg
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Message 25 of 217 (489510)
11-27-2008 10:47 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Fosdick
11-26-2008 11:29 AM


Re: Salamanders
could they have mutated the bacteria?
has the bacteria began to form into life other then bacteria? Or is still a bacteria?
could it not simply be a variation of bacteria bought on by genetic changes, like a pony is a variation of a horse?

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Peg
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Message 134 of 217 (523893)
09-13-2009 8:19 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by bluescat48
11-02-2008 11:56 AM


bluescat48 writes:
It isn't except to the Religious Fundimentalists, who for some unknown reason, think that it is detrimental to their religious beliefs. It doesn't seem to bother the mainstream religious.
there is good reason why evolution is criticized among religious people. When evolution was first presented, it was explained that evolution is how all life came into existence. Evolutionary scientists claimed that all life evolved, that life originated by itself, moved up to the plant and animal stage, and then progressed through apelike beasts to man
this was in direct opposition to religions belief that God created all life.
in origin of the species, Darwin gave many examples of how certain animals 'must' have evolved and were not individually created. For instance, this
The Galapagos Archipelago...bears the unmistakable stamp of the American continent. The naturalist, looking at the inhabitants of these volcanic islands in the Pacific, distant several hundred miles from the continent, feels that he is standing on American land. Why should this be so? Why should the species which are supposed to have been created in the Galapagos Archipelago, and nowhere else, bear so plainly the stamp of affinity to those created in America?
So there is good reason why the religious people object to 'evolution' in this sense.
It seems that over the years, evolution has gone through many changes itself and now 'evolution' is more about how species change over time rather then where life came from in the first place. It could be for this reason that many are now accepting 'evolution'..its no longer about the origin of life.
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 136 of 217 (523909)
09-13-2009 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by NosyNed
09-13-2009 8:55 AM


NosyNed writes:
It has never been about the origin of life.
Dawkins book The Selfish Gene is a book about evolution yes?
And in that book he speculates that in the beginning, Earth had an atmosphere composed of carbon dioxide, methane, ammonia and water. Through energy supplied by sunlight, and perhaps by lightning and exploding volcanoes, these simple compounds were broken apart and then they re-formed into amino acids. A variety of these gradually accumulated in the sea and combined into protein like compounds. Ultimately, he says, the ocean became an organic soup, yes?
He then goes on to describe how a molecule developed that had the ability to reproduce itself.
If evolution isnt about, or has never been about the origin of life, why does Dawkins, one of the worlds leading and most respected evolutionary scientists, go into such detail to explain how the first living cell came into existence?

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Peg
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Message 148 of 217 (524024)
09-14-2009 7:33 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Coyote
09-13-2009 6:51 PM


Re: More creationist propaganda
Coyote writes:
Face it, evolution is a fact!
Its funny, even though its been explained to me over and over, and the explanation is that evolution is only about decent with modification, I still dont believe that one kind of animal evolved into another kind. DNA doesnt work like that. And as Archangle said "you cant have evolution without having abiogenesis first"
But no one is able to prove abiogenesis...something that apparently happened naturally back then, but doenst happen naturally any more.
no one builds anything solid on a missing foundation.

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