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Author Topic:   Scientific Evidence for God in the holy Qur'an
Chronos
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Message 31 of 74 (311601)
05-12-2006 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:42 PM


Re: Forlock
dont you see the phrase: "lying sinful forlock". This is a hint to the frontal part of the brain so understand the verses be4 you reply.
By the way, if you'r saying these aer all hints do they all came so well by coincidences?
Supposing they were talking about the frontal lobe of the brain...
What did anybody do with this bit of knowledge? I'm guessing that no brain research was helped by that verse.

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mr_matrix
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Message 32 of 74 (311602)
05-12-2006 8:47 PM


The hints
OK answer this:
Dont you see that all the verses come in direct accordance with the descovered scientific facts in the 29th century.
Lets say the forlock means hair, did it come by coincidince that the frontal part of the brain is responsible for lying and sinning? Did coincidince take part as in all other verses as you claim?
stop palying with logic and the true meanings of the verses. Qur'an is not understood literally but by looking at the deeper meaning that you can never find with you blindness.

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Chronos
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Message 33 of 74 (311604)
05-12-2006 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:44 PM


YOu have Quran? Why? are you a muslim?
I have books from quite a few different religions, though I don't follow any of them.
I've never read through the entire Quran, but I've gone through parts of it.

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mr_matrix
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Message 34 of 74 (311605)
05-12-2006 8:51 PM
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05-12-2006 8:49 PM


Great! if you take back these verses and find them in the original text then you will see that they are perfectlly fit and are not taken out of their context.

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mr_matrix
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Message 35 of 74 (311607)
05-12-2006 8:55 PM


What do you say about the verse that says that seas do not mingle or mix with each other? it is proven today that masses of seas do not mix with each other and keep their densities, silinities, and pressure different even if they are close to each other?
Dont you see the accuracy in the Quran?

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jar
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Message 36 of 74 (311608)
05-12-2006 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:33 PM


Don't be silly. I happen to believe that God exists. But that has absolutely nothing to do with any of the information you posted.
The Harun Yahya sites and claims are as sophomoric and silly as the Biblical Creationists websites.
The point is that none of the material on the Harun Yahya site, or any of the Biblical Creationist sites, proves that God exists. The fact that there might be something in the Bible or the Qur'an that if you squint just right, and hold your tongue a certain way, might possibly turn out to be what we have learned doesn't mean that God told someone or that the authors had a clue what they were talking about.
The material you provided does not prove there is a God. In addition, it ain't science. Science is not just the right answer, it's having the data to support that right answer. And that is simply not available from the Qur'an, the Bible or any other religious document.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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mr_matrix
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Message 37 of 74 (311609)
05-12-2006 8:58 PM


Dont make these mistakes
The mistakes your falling into is that your taking the literal meaning because you cannot see the deeper meaning.

  
Chronos
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From: Macomb, Mi, USA
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Message 38 of 74 (311610)
05-12-2006 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 8:47 PM


Re: The hints
OK answer this:
Dont you see that all the verses come in direct accordance with the descovered scientific facts in the 29th century.
I see scientific discoveries that were entirely unrelated to the Quran, made mostly by people with no knowledge of the Quran. To me, it seems likely that modern Muslims shoehorned certain verses to agree with current knowledge.
Lets say the forlock means hair, did it come by coincidince that the frontal part of the brain is responsible for lying and sinning? Did coincidince take part as in all other verses as you claim?
It's no coincidence that the frontal lobe of the brain is responsible for judgement and control. There doesn't even appear to coincidentally be a verse in the Koran that tells us anything about the human brain. Looks like a few kooks over-interpereted some scattered verses to agree with modern knowledge after-the-fact.
stop palying with logic and the true meanings of the verses. Qur'an is not understood literally but by looking at the deeper meaning that you can never find with you blindness.
Looks like I'm f-ed then, no? I have to do something that I cannot do by definition?

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mr_matrix
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Message 39 of 74 (311612)
05-12-2006 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by jar
05-12-2006 8:58 PM


This shows me that you do not understand Qur'an. Why would God mention data in the Quran? it is not a science text book but it just mentions signs of God. By the way, since you believe in God then why do you argue against me?
The fact is you and many others are brainwashed to believe in athiestic ani-God philosophies.

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subbie
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Message 40 of 74 (311615)
05-12-2006 9:05 PM


Wasting time
Well, we've already established that you are wasting your time, matrix, so it's rather amusing that you are still here. In any event........
As long as we're all wasting our time, perhaps you can explain why allah is so unfair and unjust. According to verses quoted above,
"2:6 As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom.
2:7 Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom."
It strikes me as incredibly unfair for allah to doom us for not hearing a message that he himself prevents us from seeing or hearing. I'd call him a rude name, but I don't want to offend any other muslims that might be passing by.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

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mr_matrix
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Message 41 of 74 (311616)
05-12-2006 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Chronos
05-12-2006 9:00 PM


Re: The hints
Again the best weapon for athiests is to doubt in everything even in themselves. Nobody played with the verse because modern copies of Quran did not change (not even by a single letter) from the ancient copies in museams.
About coincidence, did all of the many verses come by coincidence?

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Chronos
Member (Idle past 6226 days)
Posts: 102
From: Macomb, Mi, USA
Joined: 10-23-2005


Message 42 of 74 (311617)
05-12-2006 9:06 PM


Another question... more on topic.
Supposing that there's an impossible amount of modern knowledge in the Quran, how does it follow that God exists?

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jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 43 of 74 (311618)
05-12-2006 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 9:02 PM


By the way, since you believe in God then why do you argue against me?
Because I honestly would like for people to get to know GOD. When folk use nonsense like the junk at Harun Yahya or ICR or AIG or Dr. Dino or Ron Wyatt or Gene Scott, it doesn't help lead them to God. Instead, they take one look at the really silly claims being made and decide that Theists, Christian or Muslim, Jew or Hindu, are just nutcases and unable to examine their beliefs critically.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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mr_matrix
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Message 44 of 74 (311619)
05-12-2006 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by subbie
05-12-2006 9:05 PM


Re: Wasting time
You are quickly judging Quran. Allah doesnot opress anyone but people opress themselves as mentioned in other verses. So if you chose to disbelief than you'r opressing your self. Even those who are blinded, Allah knows their future and that they will chose to follow the devil therefore they are doomed already, but, other verses mention that anyone can be forgiven if he reverts from the path of evil and choses to believe and this shows you the great mercy of Allah

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mr_matrix
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Message 45 of 74 (311620)
05-12-2006 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Chronos
05-12-2006 9:06 PM


This is realy a waste of time since your not understanding. God chose to mention these accurate facts in Quran to give it scineific validity and show that it is tha word of God the all knowing who knows all the tiniest details in the universe. Because such details cannot be discovered by humans back then with their simple techs. This alone is a mericles but if you bling yourself that i dont care if you chose to not see the mericles and signs for God.

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