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Author Topic:   Is science a religion?
PurpleYouko
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Message 47 of 295 (295216)
03-14-2006 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by 2ice_baked_taters
03-14-2006 4:35 AM


Requirements of religion
Doesn't a religion require some form of deity?
Doesn't it require some form of worship? Glorification?
I thought they did but what do I know? I have as little to do with religion as i can possibly manage.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 59 of 295 (295945)
03-16-2006 12:05 PM
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03-16-2006 11:37 AM


Re: Requirements of religion
Religions believe, to the best of my knowlegde, that all answers are found in or through thier deity. That through this deity they will come to know truth and be enlightened.
I guess that is a pretty reasonable definition. Not quite sure it is the one I would use but reasonable nonetheless.
If you believe science explains everything it has become your deity.
Science has become this "thing" That many people view as above or outside themselve and look to it for answers. Many of them simply refuse to acknowledge that this is the case.
I can certainly understand why you would think that, given your above definition. I happen to disagree though.
I see science as the bare search for facts without meaning.
Agreed.
How can we define all that is without meaning?
It doesn't give me any problems. Why would we want meaning? Beyond things that can be explained by poking and prodding via the scientific method (the how rather than the why), I don't see any need for deeper meaning anywhere. Stuff just IS the way it is.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 183 of 295 (311374)
05-12-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by brianforbes
05-11-2006 8:56 PM


Re: Emotional Gratification
Why should I be concerned for my future generations? So what?
Because traits are passed down from generation to generation.
People who couldn't care less about future generations tend not to
1) reproduce at all
2) care enough for any offspring that they have, that they teach them to survive efficiently.
Such people's genes are very soon removed from the gene pool.
Therefore, the most common traits to be passed down from generation to generation are those that favor the survival of the species as a whole.
Remember, evolution happens to species not individuals.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 190 of 295 (311429)
05-12-2006 2:02 PM
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05-12-2006 1:20 PM


Re: Emotional Gratification
You don't see that by believing in Evolutionism, I have no reason to care about keeping us going? In fact, if evolution is true, ending my line would give me so much more power then all all those that came before me ever had the courage to weild. Billions came before me, and I can end it. I'm the only one in my line to do that. That's power.
No that isn't power. It's just plain stupid.
How would ending your life give you power over anything?
Like i said in my previous post, evolution happens to entire populations. The action or inaction of one insignificant member of that population has about as much impact on evolution as a whole, as a single raindrop does in filling the ocean.
Evolution doesn't care if you kill yourself.
In fact if you were really to behave as you have described (doesn't seem too likely that anyone would though) then your withdrawal from the gene pool would only serve to strengthen the human race as a whole.

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PurpleYouko
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Message 245 of 295 (311908)
05-15-2006 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by brianforbes
05-12-2006 2:44 PM


Re: Emotional Gratification
I wouldn't kill myself.. I'd kill my offspring.. abortion and the like.
Either way, the actions of one individual are utterly meaningless to evolution as a whole and only serve to remove destructive traits from the gene pool.
What do I care if this "evolution" is strengthened or not?
It doesn't matter if you care or not. you have the option to remove your genes from the system anyway. How does that show that you have power? Its a bit like refusing to vote and then saying that doing so gave you power to effect the outcome of the election. The universe will just keep on rolling along quite happily no matter what you do.
You talk of him like he's some sort of god that cares what we do.
On the contrary, I talk of evolution as an unthinking and completely uncaring mechanism of nature. my entire point is that it doesn't give a crap what you or any individual does. Actions only become significant when they are shared by a significant proportion of the entire population.

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