Is there such a thing as chance?

see this is where the mythos gets in the way of reason and makes it harder than it needs to be.

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Feels good, and is good are 2 different things.
Getting high feels good, but it is not really good for you, correct?

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It depends.If someone is using pot, or alcohol, or work, or church, or the internet to insulate themselves from their problems, or to avoid their responsibilities, then all of those things could be considered bad for them.If, on the other hand, a person is suffering a lot of nausea while undergoing chemotherapy as a part of their cancer treatment, the use of marijuana seems to relieve their symptoms more effectively without as many side effects as other drugs. That makes those people's pot use, their "getting high" very good for them, indeed.

Very witty, almost. Good in how many aspects, and bad in how many?All drugs have bad side affects.
So it is not completely good is it?I also agree with you, that some people use church like a drug. They usually show up every Sunday with the same problems and never make any progress in understanding the Lord, or having a closer relationship with him, amoung other things. But hey, whatever.

I knew that before I was "mythological"

Your right it is debatable. I'm not even sure I know the answer. I smoked pot for a lot of years. When I was young I abused it. Then for the last 15 years, I smoked once or twice a month, and felt I wasn't hurting myself.When I experienced a closeness with God, I did not want anything to disrupt that flow. But I couldn't let go of my pot, so I kept a little.One day, months after I quit, I decided, I wanted to smoke a little. So I grabbed a fishing pole, a beer, and a cigar, and headed for the water.
(I also stopped drinking the way I used to, and now only have a glass or 2 of wine a month)
I was wondering if smoking pot was against God. I had been fishing for 30 mins, without a nibble. I grabbed the bowl, and was about to light it, and then said "God if this wrong, make a big fish jump out of the water". Then I quickly retracted my statement thinking it was wrong of me to ask such a question.
I put the bowl back in my pocket.
15 mins more go by, and still no nibbles. I reach in my pocket, and as soon as my finger touched the bowl, a big fish jumped out of the water....Well I took that bowl and tossed it pretty dam far, and when it landed in the water, another big fish jumped out.
Then I caught 2 huge walleyes in 5 mins, kept one, and ate it the next night for dinner.So for me, I think God does not want me to smoke pot. I still want it sometimes, in that good sense that you are talking about, but I think I would consider myself an ass if I smoked again.

now you are equivocatingbefore you said it was only one or the other.

every action there is a reaction , is there a chance the reaction will not happen. I dont think so.

Thats only saying not to abuse wine, not that you shouldn't drink.
Here ya go, a few more:

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Genesis 14:18
Then Melchizedek king of Salem [ That is, Jerusalem] brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High,

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Genesis 27:28
May God give you of heaven's dew and of earth's richness- an abundance of grain and new wine.

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Genesis 27:37
Isaac answered Esau, "I have made him lord over you and have made all his relatives his servants, and I have sustained him with grain and new wine. So what can I possibly do for you, my son?"

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Matthew 27:34
There they offered Jesus wine to drink, mixed with gall; but after tasting it, he refused to drink it.

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You can also drink wine for an upset stomach.
Jesus tasted the wine, as if he was going to drink it.
Jesus turned wine into water for a bunch of drunks. The bible teaches that he who serves is just as guilty as he who drinks it.But, it is better to be drunk in the spirit than wine. Too much wine will take away your spirit, and possibly lead you to do things that are against God. But that does not mean you cannot drink wine. Some people can not control it, those people should not drink.

I think you need to read through this thread before just posting an answer. Some of that was addressed already.

I finally got around to reading your post on that.
That was weak, and full of holes.
Is there anywhere else that we can pick up on that, or should I start another thread?

You haven't been reading....In message 132 riverrat writes: So the choice gets a little more complicated, but it is still a choice. Usually this is where I ask God for a little help.

Allow me so that I can state the more current version.(It seems the original thread is closed so it cannot be used)new topic proposed. should be available soon.This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-29-2005 09:56 AM

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Good in how many aspects, and bad in how many?

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All drugs have bad side affects.
So it is not completely good is it?

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Never said it was completely good. It was YOU who said it was completely bad.You said that "getting high is bad for you.", and I just provided an example of a circumstance in which using marijuana would be good for someone, compared to doing nothing or taking other drugs.So, it's not always and forever true that "getting high" is bad.DO you agree?

so you started equivocating earlier ... that doesn't alter your first argument that it was one or the other.(new abortion topic soon, so things should "liven up" around here eh?)

new essay version up and running athttp://EvC Forum: Legal Death, Legal Life, Personhood and Abortionand ready for comment.This message has been edited by RAZD, 01-29-2005 13:40 AM

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