Bible Cryptids/Dinosaurs?

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Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

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what does "know" mean in this verse?

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1Sa 24:3 And he came to the sheepcotes by the way, where [was] a cave; and Saul went in to cover his feet: and David and his men remained in the sides of the cave.

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what does "cover his feet" mean in this verse?

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Rth 3:7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down.

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what does "uncovered his feet" mean in this verse?

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Lev 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

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what does "stones" mean in this verese?

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Gen 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:

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what is abraham's servant swearing on? (hint: think about the word "testify" for a moment)

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2Ki 18:27 But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? [hath he] not [sent me] to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own filth, and drink their own water with you?

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(rendered the way the hebrew renders it) what are "filth" and "water" talking about?these are things called euphemisms. they don't translate very well. imagine trying to explain the process of "taking a dump" or "screwing" or "powdering your nose" in another language. would you translate it literally? what would it mean if you did?

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Job 40:17

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He moveth his tail like a cedar:
the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

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in this case, you have to understand the parallelism. the first line says something, and second line mirrors it. standard hebrew poetry format. sometimes it's even synonymous. number always go up by one. left is always paired with right. heaven with earth, oceans with rivers, etc. it's pretty easy to catch on, just look for it. (half of the prose is even written this way).the second half contains a known euphemism: stones. this is actually a kjv english euphemistic rendering of what the verse actually says: thigh or loin. but we know because of all the other verses (including two i posted above) that in many cases, thigh or loin means testicle.it's talking about virility; sexual prowess. and look what testicle is paired with: tail.now, assuming you're a male, what would you pair your testicles with? now, what do you think tail means?

you mean like i did above? i just mentioned an earlier law regarding testicles, and an even earlier usage of testification. "tail" is paralleled with "stones." what do you associate with testicles?

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yes, please see: http://EvC Forum: Noah's Ark -->EvC Forum: Noah's Ark

lol.

you think THAT's bad. a blue whale's penis is about 16ft long, and his balls weigh 22 pounds each!

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ok, then what are his stones? i can't think of any animal (dinosaur or not) that has a part of his anatomy made of rock!

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(copy cat)i'm gonna start pulling out other euphemisms.

yeah right. i mean, he obviously hasn't read the rest of the thread.

= testicles. an, euphemistically, testicles. think about the words "testify" and "testament" for a second. right, but it's also a euphemistic translation. i mean, it's a bit like missing the references to "giving head" in english. a head is clearly something that sits atop a person's neck, on their two shoulders.it's entirely possible that they kept this particular rendering for the sake of cleanliness. "loincloth." virility is certainly an aspect, either way. the point i think i was making before was that "tail" was paired with "stones," which associates the two -- and since both can be read as genetalia, maybe we should read them virility references. the major point, however, is that "tail" is not a "tail" in the sense of a dinosaur. considering that crocodiles do not have an external penis (only when they are actually mating), and most birds are about the same, they wouldn't have a penis to make stand up. it's either there and being used, or inside the body.dinosaurs would probably be about the same -- not running around dongs-a-dangling.

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you might me there, regarding noses. i doubt it's a hippo, because the animal is associated with land. so maybe a buffalo or ox of some kind?you often see oxen in religious imagery in the middle east. it's even the origin of the character aleph in hebrew, aramaic, phoenican, and alpha in greek. (A in latin and english...)

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yes, both come from the latin "testis" meaning "witness." possibly. or it could be a coincidence. either way, the bible seems to report the same practice among the patriarchs. (nowadays, we put our hands on the bible...) that's not entirely true. we know a fair deal about dino innards. we know sauropods had gizzards. we know theropods had lungs somewhat like a bird's (their bones are pneumatized).but it stands the reason that if crocodiles and birds have a feature in common, dinosaurs probably did too. we can't really be sure, but it's a darned good indication.i found some interesting pictures of how to extract a crocodile penis while doing a little research for that last post... well, not totally unknown. some of the particulars are a debatable, but we can be pretty sure it's one of the few biblical verses about an erection.

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haha, yes. well, minus the pyramids.

....wait a second. it's not that easy.why does the fact that dinosaurs are extinct eliminate the possibility that the behemoth is a dinosaur? large bones are rather routinely dug up -- and it's entirely possible that he's just a mythicized dino. the author would never have even had to see one.i think this is unlikely, given the description, but you never know.

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that's sort of what i was thinking, although your next post has a good point: why mention oxen twice? i'll have to think about this one some more.

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well, let me cut throug the circular logic here with a simple fact that most people seem to have missed.pachad is ONLY used here in this way. everywhere else, it means "fear," even in job. so saying it means "thighs" or "stones" or whatever is a pretty bad idea. we have no other context to say that. this is the essentially problem with trusting that little dictionary attached to strong's concordance -- we can often figure out what something means by the context or how it's used elsewhere, but in cases like this, where does the definition come from? well, does leviathan seem to be mythological?

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