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jjsemsch Member (Idle past 5804 days) Posts: 60 Joined: |
That can't be true. Fungi contain mutagens (that is, they cause genetic mutations) called Aflatoxin. So, either mutations were caused before the fall, or new features can evolve. Which is it? Poison was not a part of God’s original creation, neither were thorns, sin or death, but Adam’s disobedience (sin) brought about all of these things. After each day of creation God declared his creation “very good.” I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t call poison “very good.” The mutations in fungi to produce Aflatoxin happened after the Fall. Mutations began after the Fall and continue today. The mutations to produce Aflatoxin may give the fungi a survival benefit, but it doesn’t change the fungi into something other than fungi.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Explain the cliffs of Dover to me then. Why is it that all of the younger species are near the top and the primitive ones at the bottom of the cliff? Why over time does the cliff show increasingly complexity? Where did these new traits come from? They obviously were not in the species at the bottom. Why did it take a huge amount of time for these new traits to show up? I've blown titanic sized holes in your argument and you've done nothing but ignore me
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: But that's breaking the #1 rule of Creationism: Thou Shall Not Get A Education Rule #2 of course is: Thou Shall Not Use Logic
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Poison was not a part of God’s original creation, neither were thorns, sin or death,.... Were tyrannosaurs, sharks, frogs, barn swallows, and bats then not "part of God’s original creation?" All depend absolutely on something dying so they can live. Or did barn swallows eat flying grapes before this Fall?
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2541 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
of course. how could I have forgotten?
*scrounges around for latest "The Good Creationist" text* hm. that explains it. The latest issue I have is from this time last year--where it clearly tells them to only avoid an education if possible. I know I've been told that the new issue forbids an education outright, but without that issue, hard to remember.
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catman62@bellsouth.net  Inactive Member |
god said let light come out of darkness first and let land come out
of the deep. Yes am a creationist and I am a science freak to kirk edward gaulden
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
god said let light come out of darkness first ... Well if that is the case, then your god is wrong. It really is that simple, the god you mention is wrong. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5981 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
jj, have you noticed that the popular argument for ID is based upon how good the world currently is? How all things are so 'perfect' that there must be a Designer?
Would you agree with these claims? I haven't read the entire thread, but if you believe the world used to have a different and better system in place, which obviously isn't here now, why would you argue so much against the ToE? Does it matter how God changed things from the original creation, as long as you are sure that there WAS change? Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Genesis also states that God created the Sun, Moon and Stars on the 4th day. How can there be light without a source?
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Doddy Member (Idle past 5937 days) Posts: 563 From: Brisbane, Australia Joined: |
Ok. You are no longer allowed to use the argument "New features cannot evolve" or "Evolution can't cause an increase in information", because you've already admitted that poisons (in plants, animals and fungi) can evolve. Wouldn't want to be called a hypocrite.
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catman62@bellsouth.net  Inactive Member |
My dear I am a devoted christian and god said let there be light out
darkness and raised the land from the deep.Thats one for mankind against evil. Where were you suppose to be watching and make sure thats your problem. kirk edward gaulden creationist
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2520 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Catman, welcome to the boards.
I am not responding to your points, because frankly I can't make heads or tails of your responses. If you are responding to someone in particular use the "reply" button on their message so we know who you are talking to, rather than "general reply" Also, check out the "peek" function for handy code on how to put stuff in boxes so we can see what part of the text you are responding to.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: So? Other religions have other stories of origin that don't follow the same sequence. Merely because it was written does not make it true.
quote: Huh? Furthermore if we use a time line, evil didn't exist. Therefore you cannot score points against something that does not exist. But here's a line from my friend. "Honestly I have no idea if you are wrong. I have no idea what you said. You are not making a great deal of sense. May I suggest that you meditate on your thoughts so that you might formulate them into words"
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catman62@bellsouth.net  Inactive Member |
No problems here and they are no hard feelings and they are our childern thats what I do build and thank god. If you have any questions you can
log on and ask me. kirk edward gaulden I've only been here myself about a week.
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catman62@bellsouth.net  Inactive Member |
No problems here and they are no hard feelings and they are our childern thats what I do build and thank god. If you have any questions you can
log on and ask me. kirk edward gaulden I've only been here myself about a week.
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