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Author | Topic: The Religious Nature of Evolution, or Lack Thereof | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
almeyda Inactive Member |
The theory of evolution does directly or indirectly answer these questions. The truth is for evolutionists that man by himself can determine truth. Independent of a creator, independant of absolutes. And as for purpose well their is no purpose we are an accident and just another evolved animal. So you see evolution does answer the questions. Just because there is no absolutes and no purpose does not mean evolution gives no answer to these questions. When man accepts the theory of evolution he builds his thinking (his religion)upon this theory that there is no god and i can determine my own destiny, rules , and purpose. Which is what many anti-god, athiest, humanist, evolutionists etc have done. So it does qualify as a religion. just as much as buddism, new age, and all other religions of the world.
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Rand Al'Thor Inactive Member |
How about we stop playing the assertion game and start supporting claims with evidence.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
When man accepts the theory of evolution he builds his thinking (his religion)upon this theory that there is no god and i can determine my own destiny, rules , and purpose. Says you, but the existence of Christians who accept evolution - the majority of Christians, as I recall - would seem to prove you wrong. They're still basing their morality on what they believe God wants, after all. Clearly evolution doesn't conflict with that.
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almeyda Inactive Member |
Ok ive decided to make my next topic on theistic evolution.
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5224 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
Almeyda,
Your age of rocks is not accurate as much as you want it to be. All it is is a bunch of numbers calculating pretending to be able to mark an age of millions of yrs. This is not true. There is no such dating method without adding your own opinion to the fact that can add a date of millions/billions of yrs. Where are the calculations propped up by "my opinion", & my opinion alone? This is the hand wavey I-refuse-to-address-the-evidence tosh we expect from creationists. It is clearly not my biased unsupported "opinion" that multiple dating methods corroborate the date of the K-T tektites, it is a raw FACT. THE MATHS SHOWS THE LIKELIHOOD OF SUCH CORROBORATION TO BE OVER 70,000,000 : 1 AGAINST! Tell, me, please, what conclusions should I be drawing from multiple lines of evidence that say the same thing? Should I hold my bible aloft, as you do, & just try & pretend it doesn't exist, or should I do the intellectually honest thing & accept it for what it is; powerful corroboration that the K-T boundary is 65 million years old? To scupper the evidence you need to explain why the correlation exists. This involves directly addressing the issue rather than making ridiculous accusations that mere opinion is involved. If you can't, then you need to accept that it exists. This is not evidence that can be interpreted any other way. It supports the mainstream scientific view of the world & scuppers a young earth. Let me remind you there isn't a scrap of evidence that specifically supports the biblical 6,000 year old earth, yet there are many correlations like the K-T tektite example I've given you that support the mainstream view. There is precious little evidence that can be interpreted either way like you wish.
I dont have anything to add to your link question. I disagree because i believe historical science is very different to practical science. You however believe they are on the same wave length You are moving the goalposts. Point C/ was not about the difference between historical & practical science, but the relative tentativity of hypotheses regarding the amount of evidence that supports them. Allow me to remind you.
mark writes: C/ Nothing in science is "proven", assuming a definition of the word that involves absolute 100% surety on a given theory. All scientific hypotheses are tentative to one degree or another. A new hypothesis is highly tentative, the more predictictions that are borne out, that is, the more evidence it has in its favour, reduces the tentativity of that hypothesis. In highly supported hypotheses, which are known as theories (although the terms are interchangeable even in scietific circles, depending on context) the level of evidential support is high enough to render the theory so well supported that to withhold consent can be considered unreasonable. This is what is known as a scientific fact. In no way do evolutionists, or scientists in general, attempt to conflate a scientific fact with a definition that confers 100% knowledge. Any example you can give I can question. If I can throw any doubt at all on your example then it can't be 100% proven, by definition. I've already done this to examples you have given, in fact they were excellent examples of what I mean. The scientific method does not differentiate between historical & practical sciences. The methodology is the same. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: What about scientology?
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
quote: 1 - 1.5 billion maybe ....
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What about scientology? Using galvanic skin resistance sensors to awaken the psychic potential left in all of us by an ancient race of alien spirit beings? Yeah, that sounds pretty fuckin' supernatural to me.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
many, many years ago, and article by Ron Hubbard talking about creating a religion for pure financial reasons. IIRC, it was in the old Analog or F&SF. This was before he created Scientology. In the article he descibed just how easy it would be to create such a critter and what would be needed to make it work.
Mayhaps he succeeded. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
And probably wrong (but not fully settled)
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
OK ... borderline, in that the religion itself doesn't
claim 'supernatural agency' but 'highly advanced agency'. Hmm .... that sounds like IDer thinking.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1508 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
I thought all religions were created for financial
reasons ....
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Just as a hypothetical excercise to explore an idea...
Alien 1 has phenomenal psychic powers that enable him to move objects with his mind. Alien 2 has phenomenal technology that allows him to interface mentally with an indetectable magnetic field projector and basically, move objects with his mind. Short of an autopsy is there any way to tell the difference? By the strictest definition, any power that you can take advantage of and interact with can't be supernatural - the supernatural can't affect the natural or it ceases to be supernatural. So neither alien has supernatural powers. By a loose definition, any power you can use that defies understanding is supernatural. So both the biological power and the technological power are supernatural. I bring this up simply to point out that trying to pin down what fictional abilities constitute supernatural and what do not is rather tricky. To me, aliens with advanced, incomprehnsible powers are supernatural, because they're trans-mundane.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote:No, neither evolution nor science deals with "truth". All it attempts to do is to use available data to try to answer questions about the physical world we see, knowing full well that the answers we get might be wrong. You admit, youself, that ideas and hypotheses in evolutionary theory have changed over time, as new data have come to light.
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DarkStar Inactive Member |
I have re-read the forum guidelines but am unsure of where I may have stepped over the line. Do not want to violate the rules or step on any toes here so any help or advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated.
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