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Author Topic:   Is Creationism Science?
Dr_Tazimus_maximus
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Message 10 of 27 (8857)
04-24-2002 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Jet
03-15-2002 4:10 PM


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Originally posted by Jet:
First, debaters on the evo side do not limit themselves to the scientific arena. They like to claim that they do but exactly the opposite is true. True science is often abandoned to maintain the evolutionist argument. Those who deny this either are not paying attention, or are willing trying to mislead someone.
OK, while I do know of a few people who debate on the evolution side leaving scientific principles (Dawkins insistence that science disporves God for one) when they are discussing evolution most remain within the scientific areans. Unless of course you have a different definition of "true science" than most scientists.
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For most, abiogenesis is the creator, and with the acceptance of a creator you are automatically qualified as a creationists.
Sorry, I have to disagree here as well. The term "creator" generally implies some form of intent, abiogenesis is simply th eimpled aggregate protperties of a system, ie CAS or some other mathematical expression. [QUOTE]Supernatural events can indeed be observed with the senses. Their observance does not negate the fact that they are supernatural. A comet streaking across the sky is not a supernatural event. It is viewed with the eyes, and noted as an observable event. It may be regarded as spectacular, but not supernautral.
However, a comet streaking across the sky, and then by the power of Almighty God, is made to stop in its place, remain motionless for a time, then descend to the earth, resting on the surface of the oceans for a period of time, then again ascending into the outer heavens and then finally made to go backwards along the same course from which it came, this is completely supernatural, even though it also is observable. To somehow claim that this observance is not supernatural but rather is now a "natural" occurance simply because it has been observed, it to have a skewed and erroneous understanding of the term "supernatural" in the extreme sense. Were this phenomenom a repeatable occurance with no outside interference from the Almighty, then yes, I would agree it is within the realm of natural.(It would also require a rewrite of the laws of physics). The very act of intervention by the Almighty, denying and negating the natural laws of time, space, motion, gravity, physics, etc. demands its' classification as a supernatural, though observable, event. When the natural laws are superceded by a supernatural being, that my friend, "IS" completely supernatural, observed or not.[/B][/QUOTE]
I think that either you, or someone else further up the thread, has some confusion about supernatural and science. Science does not deal with the supernatural not because it can not be observed (as you just pointed out the supernatural, if it exists, can be observed); science does not deal with the supernatural because the supernatural violates natural "laws", ie it operates outside of the area within which science operates. This is the area that science operates in, observation or inference based on observation of the natural world and the application of the inferred natural laws to explain these observations.
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Taz

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