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sidelined
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Message 1 of 263 (194421)
03-25-2005 11:19 AM


This is a chllenge to those members and viewers that say a biblical flood actually happened. I would like these people to list just what is meant by fountains of the deep and windows of heaven.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Once we establish a foundation of the meaning of this verse to be agreed upon by those believers who wish to participate then we will examine the consequences of those assumptions and see if we can predict how the result of such an event must be evidenced on Earth. In other words the people who make the claim that this flood occured will have to put their model to the test against the actual findings from the physical sciences.
I wish to allow believers the chance to present their case and to apply scientific criteria to see if they can accurately descibe these consequences in the real world,which after all is the only way to test such things.
This would be best in miscellaneous since we will not be merely confining ourselves to geological science as pertains to the flood.
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Message 2 of 263 (194497)
03-25-2005 5:53 PM
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I'm OK with "miscellaneous" if that's what you want. But can you pick a better title please, that helps indicate more clearly what the thread is to be about.

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sidelined
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Message 3 of 263 (195561)
03-30-2005 8:47 PM
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AdminSylas
Sorry to take so long in answering but my DSL line was down till they could install in my new apartment. I hope the new title will work.

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sidelined
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Message 4 of 263 (198896)
04-13-2005 8:12 AM
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I will bump this topic to see if I can get the ball rolling on it now that I have returned.Up and at 'em admins!

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04-13-2005 9:03 AM


Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.

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Message 6 of 263 (198918)
04-13-2005 9:36 AM
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Hey, Sidelined! Even though I am not a strict Creationist as pertaining to Biblical literalism, I will attempt to answer your question:
sidelined writes:
I would like these people to list just what is meant by fountains of the deep and windows of heaven.
This site describes what a staunch literalist would think(from an I.D. perspective) The Bible, Genesis and Geology This site is even more crazy! I was rather intrigued by the authors "earthquake animation":http://home1.gte.net/bridavis/eq.htm
Fountains of the deep=
windows of heaven=

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Message 7 of 263 (198922)
04-13-2005 10:01 AM
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Well ya Know...
The fountains of the deep are probably geysers.
Heaven yeah; there is water underneath the ground. As stable as the earth looks, water carves caves and caverns under our very feet in the very earth, this very same planet that we say is a collosal rock in the midst of space. Thus the fountains of the deep were opened, and the antediluvians found themselves in a rather sticky (or should I say the opposite) situation.
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Message 8 of 263 (198973)
04-13-2005 1:38 PM
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04-13-2005 10:01 AM


Re: Well ya Know...
Even if there were water deep down there, it was all swallowed up by a giant pink dragon. Where did the dragon go? It flew up into space and is now living on Mars.

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Message 9 of 263 (198980)
04-13-2005 2:33 PM
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04-13-2005 1:38 PM


Re: Well ya Know...
Now that is just silly.
We all know what really happened is that these geysers spewed forth super-cooled water to help counter act the heat generated by the accelerated radioactive decay and the continents sliding around. Of course these geysers would have to shoot water out at escape velocity so that all that heat could get to space. Don't you know where comets come from?
Meanwhile a layer of ice in the atmosphere held up there by the magnetic properties of the Earth that don't exist anymore came crashing down instantly freezing only animals who are adapted to cold climate.
Somehow all this violent catastrophism sorted all the fossils according to some rules that no one can define that happens to look exactly like decent with modification. It also obviously would put all those pre-modern animals directly beneath a clearly defined layer of iridium and all flowering plants, grasses, and modern animals above it. Obviously.
All said and done, the oceans got a little bit higher because not all the water left and now there was bigger mountains due to catastrophic plate tectonics. Noah and his family survived all of this in a wooden boat of a construction that no one can reproduce today full of 2 or 7 of every "kind" of creature on the Earth.
Then all these animals seperated themselves nicely. Almost all of the non-placental mammals swam to Australia. The dinosaurs got off the boat and were eaten because no one liked them. (They were friends of the serpent). Then once all the animals got to their new homes they rapidly micro-evolved into the diversity of species that we know today. That speedy mico-evolution has since stopped for some reason.
So as you see, there is an obvious source for all that flood water based on everything else that happened the flood. It all connects. The Bible clearly shows that the above is what happened even though it doesn't say it so much directly. You aren't some atheist evo are you?
HAH! Pink dragons, How ridiculous!
{Sorry, was bored at work and wanted to have some fun.}
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FOX has a pretty good system they have cooked up. 10 mil people watch the show on the network, FOX. Then 5 mil, different people, tune into FOX News to get outraged by it. I just hope that those good, God fearing people at FOX continue to battle those morally bankrupt people at FOX.
-- Lewis Black, The Daily Show

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Message 10 of 263 (198999)
04-13-2005 4:21 PM
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04-13-2005 2:33 PM


Flood water came from Mars?
I am still fairly new to the discussions, but have the Christian creationists proposed that the water came from Mars yet? There seems to be missing water there, and a bunch of water here now.

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Message 11 of 263 (199002)
04-13-2005 4:29 PM
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Re: Flood water came from Mars?
But there still isn't enough water on/in Earth to entirely flood the continents. If it came from Mars to Earth, where did it go when it left Earth? Venus?

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IANAT
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Message 12 of 263 (199016)
04-13-2005 5:37 PM
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Re: Flood water came from Mars?
gnojek writes:
But there still isn't enough water on/in Earth to entirely flood the continents. If it came from Mars to Earth, where did it go when it left Earth? Venus?
I am not a proponent of the idea. I am just curious if it was proposed.
I suppose it could be argued by a Creationist that the continents were lower at the time, and when the water came it flooded all over, and then the continents were raised. In that case, the water is still here.
All I know is that if the water is no longer on Mars, is the Martian oil easier to get to? :-) (I am in oil business if you could not guess)

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Message 13 of 263 (199019)
04-13-2005 5:42 PM
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Re: Flood water came from Mars?
That is exactly what we want pinned down. After the outline is written in stone, we then want the creationists to propose what type of evidence would be left behind by this activity. That is usually the step that creationists are afraid to take, opening up their supposed theories to examination and testing.

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Message 14 of 263 (199031)
04-13-2005 6:07 PM
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Re: Well ya Know...
I don't care. I'm sticking with the giant pink dragon scenario. Sounds a lot more plausible.

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Message 15 of 263 (199032)
04-13-2005 6:08 PM
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Re: Flood water came from Mars?
IANAT writes:
I am still fairly new to the discussions, but have the Christian creationists proposed that the water came from Mars yet? There seems to be missing water there, and a bunch of water here now.
Although I haven't seen it proposed yet, you never know when we're talking about creos...

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