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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design has no Place in the Classroom of Science
NosyNed
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Message 197 of 203 (311165)
05-11-2006 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by mr_matrix
05-11-2006 6:21 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
You have received some rather detailed replies to this. Also a note that it is off topic.
I'm not sure if this is on topic or not (ID is so maybe). I think you will have a large problem understanding the answers you have been given so I want to try to help with a simplified way of looking at a deep flaw in the kind of reasoning that you are copying here. (Copying because I know it is not your reasoning).
Someone here a year or so ago posted the following little bit and I found it very amusing but containing a deep point that you need to grasp (grasp but maybe not agree with but still "get").
All these fine-tuning arguments that go on about how amazing it is that the earth, universe, etc. is so amazingly fine-tuned to be just what we need to live in is just like the puddle which wakes up one morning and looks around at the hole it is in and is amazed at how the hole is so perfectly shaped to fit our puddle exactly.
Life on earth is fluid (in a sense); it flows to fit the hole available to it. Damm good thing too; the hole, as others have noted, keeps changing shape . The hole is NOT designed to hold the life in it; life in it has been forced to fit to the hole or die. That is why the believers in God who also accept evolution (the majority of believers) appreciate how clever God was to set life up in a way that allows it to evolve. The only other choice He would have is a static, unchanging (read B o r i n g ) world.

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mr_matrix
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Message 198 of 203 (311508)
05-12-2006 5:35 PM


Check the new Forum about Qur'an
For all those who chalenged me and tried to disprove the existance of God:
Im moving out of this thread since you said im off-topic. So check my new post about the holy book of Qur'an and you will see a CLEAR AND DIRECT evidence for the existance or God:
http://EvC Forum: Scientific Evidence for God in the holy Qur'an -->EvC Forum: Scientific Evidence for God in the holy Qur'an
(edit: updated url - AdminNWR)
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mr_matrix
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Message 199 of 203 (311513)
05-12-2006 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by NosyNed
05-11-2006 7:13 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
The problem is not with adaptation but it is with evolution. Each aspect of evolution denies the existance of a ceator so how can their be a medium between evolution and creation. By the way, since evolutionists are trying to fool believers to believe in "creatoin through evolution" why dont they accept this theory first, why dont evolutionists believe in God and first and then make others believe in evolution. Dont reply to me here cuz im moving out of the thread but check my above post.

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nwr
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Message 200 of 203 (311518)
05-12-2006 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 5:44 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Each aspect of evolution denies the existance of a ceator ...
On the contrary, evolution celebrates the creativity of biological systems.

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mr_matrix
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Message 201 of 203 (311522)
05-12-2006 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by nwr
05-12-2006 5:55 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
OK i'll make this clear, do not run away and go above to check post 198 that will take you to a new post that is enough to prove the existance of God and to demollish athiesm and all its rotten philosphies (i.e. evolution), if you believe in God or not just check post 198 and its enough to hurl the tuth of God to all those who disbelieve.

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EZscience
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Message 202 of 203 (311655)
05-12-2006 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 6:01 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Pardon me if I find your reaction a little psychotic.
mr.matrix writes:
...demollish athiesm and all its rotten philosphies
Could you possibly explain why you feel so compelled to demolish atheism? I suspect atheists are probably a lot more indulgent when it comes to entertaining the ridiculous myths of Islam. At least we don't feel compelled by some higher force to demolish Islam, speaking for myself.

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jar
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Message 203 of 203 (311656)
05-12-2006 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by mr_matrix
05-12-2006 6:01 PM


Re: The Intellegent design in nature
Well, as expected, your thread was simply weak. But let's try to move this back towards the topic.
What possible purpose of advantage could come from ID?
If we find something that appears to be IC and so just say the designer did it, how much knowledge will we forego?
If there is a designer, why is so much of his work, over 99% of it, unsatisfactory? Is he really as incompetent as his designs seem to show?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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