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Author Topic:   The "science" of Miracles
kbertsche
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Message 78 of 696 (825520)
12-15-2017 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
12-13-2017 11:16 AM


Re: How can there be such a "science" anyway?
jar writes:
The Conquest of Canaan did not happen.
The Exodus is a folk tale.
You seem to be in line with the modern minimalist branch of scholarship, which tends to dismiss the study of ancient language and culture. I find their approach and conclusions problematic. There are good scholarly reasons to believe that the Exodus and conquest really DID happen. See, for example, James Hoffmeier.
Edited by kbertsche, : No reason given.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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kbertsche
Member (Idle past 2153 days)
Posts: 1427
From: San Jose, CA, USA
Joined: 05-10-2007


Message 122 of 696 (825672)
12-17-2017 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by jar
12-15-2017 4:37 PM


Re: How can there be such a "science" anyway?
jar writes:
If there are good scholarly reasons to think either ever happened, you can bring them here. But a link certainly won't do it.
I've read Hoffmeier but never found anything, anything at all beyond speculative vague assertions that quite frankly seem unrelated to either the Exodus or the Conquest of Canaan.
Sorry, I don't have his book, so I can't quote from it. But I've heard Hoffmeier speak and present evidence for the likely route of the Exodus. He struck me as a good scholar who had done solid archaeological research.
I'm skeptical that Oxford University Press would have published his book if it were nothing but "speculative vague assertions".
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"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein
I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger

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